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  • Jeffrey Penguin
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    16:04, January 28, 2020
    Helpydance

    Helpy loves you and hopes you get everything you want.

    Yes, yes, I know. The "Putting the Bite Victim Back Together Megathread" I promised earlier is coming. It's just... taking a while. I realized how much strong evidence PuppetVictim has and, while I don't believe it, it's taken me down a weird rabbit hole.

    But we're not here to be taken down weird rabbit holes, we're here to talk about Midnight Motorist.



    Once again, I will say that we are indeed in the Afton house. The blue walls match the FNaF 4 house (even if Scott is bad with architecture,) the outside resembles the house on the title screen of FNaF 4, and the owner of a purple car says "This is my house." The gray-shirted gray-texted person sitting watching TV is Michael, the older brother to the Bite Victim and frequent watcher of Immortal and the Restless - aside from delivering their one line that doesn't add much to the minigame, they serve no role besides tying this house once again to the Afton family.

    True, the interior of the FNaF 4 house and the Midnight Motorist's house don't match at all, but just as Scott isn't the best with architecture, interior design isn't one of his strongsuits. Note that, in the FNaF 4 house, the TV set and the couch are facing the same direction.

    But that doesn't answer who we are in the minigame. It wouldn't feel right to be William, since William tends to be represented with purple, and there would be no other person known for being a furry and breaking into windows to steal children away.

    MidnightMotorist-PlayerCharacter1

    When you walkin

    But what about Henry? Well, the main two times we hear Henry's voice are during the fire sequence and during the salvaging segments, where everything it lit in orange. The text from the FNaF 3 trailer - "He will come back. He always does. We have a place for him," - definitely seems like Henry given all the information we have now. And, just as Henry is an antithesis to William, yellow is the opposite of purple on the color wheel. If we were to associate Henry with one color, it'd be yellow/orange.

    And there is some books/games confusion regarding the Afton residence and the Emily residence. Charlie's childhood home is the one with the secret underground bunker in it, and the hole in the ground outside where a Twisted animatronic came through.

    The cleanest solution is to say William and Henry were married, but I know nobody would go for that, so I've come up with a different solution: Henry adopted William's children. He got them taken away somehow, and tried to protect them.

    It makes sense. The whole "William being arrested" thing would put a dent in the timeline in terms of his kids being raised. Elizabeth and the Bite Victim would've already been dead, but Michael? He'd only be like... 13. So I say that Henry must've adopted the Bite Victim, Elizabeth, and Michael sometime between Charlotte's death and the Bite of FNaF 4.

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    This even helps with some of the housing weirdness. The house in Michael's nightmares and the one in the FNaF 4 minigames are different, which is why they appear so far away from each other on the Breaker Room map. The one on the left is the Emily residence - the one in the FNaF 4 minigames, Charlotte's childhood home, and the house seen in Midnight Motorist. The one on the right/bottom is the Afton house - the one in Michael's dreams, including Fun with Plushtrap, and the one that William spied on via the Private Room in Sister Location.

    Midnight Motorist shows Henry going home to his two adopted sons, Michael and the Bite Victim, only to discover that the Bite Victim "ran off to that place again." "That place" is Fredbear's Family Diner, and the person who led him there is William. In a situation not completely unlike Mrs. Doubtfire, William uses a mascot costume to lure his son away from Henry and get in some good bonding time. This might even explain why he works at Fredbear's at the first place. But regardless, this is the night that the Bite Victim witnesses a murder at Fredbear's and became fearful of the animatronics.



    Does this feel like speculation? Yes. But come in, it's Midnight frickin' Motorist. There's no theory that doesn't involve speculation, and I think this fits a lot of pieces together. There's evidence that Henry is the Midnight Motorist, but there's also evidence that it's the Afton household. This uses both sides of evidence.

    Quite frankly, this was inspired by me watching MatPat's "The Monster We Missed" theory and getting frustrated that none of what he said made any sense. The idea that we've never heard the name "Michael Afton" is literally wrong, but I do think he made good points about the Afton house vs. the Emily house. And let's all just agree for a moment that my current theory, right now, is much better than my Mrs. Afton theory from the other thread.

    Take care, ~Cutesy.

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    • Okay sure I mean the purple car, the house in the forest reminscent of the FNAF 4 main menu house do make me lean towards MM being Afton orientated but I can see it being Henry.

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    • Luckily, this theory uses both sides of evidence pretty effectively.

      Although it is strange that, in adopting William's kids, he also gets William's car. Maybe it's Michael's car idk.

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    • That sounds like it screws with the timeline something fierce.

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    • I mean, yeah, the car is purple, but every car in MM is purple.

      Me? Going back on what I said before? No way.

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    • Tricakay27
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    • Not everything points towards Yellow Guy being William, dude. Grasping straws as usual, I see... -_-

      For one, I don’t think it can be William because it seems like the child in question was lured away. There’s the mound of dirt that can be seen, and there’s the poster of the Twisted Wolf in Scrap Baby’s alley screen. You may not like this answer, but I believe the Midnight Motorist is simply a parent of one of William’s victims, as there is evidence that could suggest that the boy was kidnapped by one of the Twisteds. Therefore, this isn’t simply a family dispute, this is the scene of a kidnapping. If this were the Aftons, William wouldn’t need to employ the Twisteds; he’d just use his authority as the boy’s father to take him wherever he needs him to be.

      Also, the most popular belief is that Scott changed Purple Guy/William Afton's color to yellow in Midnight Motorist so we wouldn't mistake him for Michael (assuming that this minigame actually takes place around the time of the 83 incident, where Mike would still be human and too short to even be the player character in Midnight Motorist)

      I'm really surprised that nobody has actually pointed out any flaws on it, yet. How can we mistake William (a normal human being) for Mr. Zombie Corpse Man, whom Green Guy would clearly respond to in a more fearful way? Especially when this minigame clearly takes place sometime after Charlotte's death? Plus, there is really no reason why we'd suddenly think that Mike has any children all of a sudden, when there was really nothing that suggested that he had any in the first place. And, just to make things more clear, this minigame is widely accepted to take place in the same year as FNaF 4, so how could we possibly mistake William for Mike if Mike himself is actually one of the two children in FNaF 4? I'm sorry, but I just wanted to point out some major flaws on Mike being the Orange Guy, so that we'd still think Orange Guy was William even if Scott had kept him purple. I wasn't really trying to say that Orange Guy is or isn't William, I was just trying to point out that there are lots of holes in Mike being the guy we play as, so that, if Scott had kept Purple Guy in his iconic purple color, we wouldn't confuse him for Mike.

      So, even if Orange Man does turn out to be William Afton, Scott needs to remember that we're not morons. We all know very well that WilliamAfton/ original Purple Guy is not literally purple, and that Midnight Motorist cannot possibly take place after Sister Location because that would mean that SL takes place in the exact same year as FNaF 4, and Mike would be an adult around that time, making him a completely separate character from BV and/or Foxy Bully. So, the player character being purple in Midnight Motorist shouldn't really matter because the guy we're playing as clearly isn't Mike, and the drastic change in Purple Guy/William Afton's color would ultimately backfire in Scott's face because of it. Does Scott actually think we're this stupid? What kind of moron actually thought that Purple Guy was literally purple BEFORE Sister Location? You'd think that Scott had more respect for his fans than that 'cause let's be real, Skeptic! Scott never had any real reason to change Purple Guy's iconic color to begin with and that it was all done in vain. Heck, he had no reason to make Yellow Man the same man who more likely sent an animatronic to the house, broke the window of the child's bedroom, and took him away.

      To be honest with you, Yellow Man being William isn't looking very likely just like you would've hoped.

      I just felt that this needed clarifying to anybody reading this.

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    • In my opinion, "Later that night" is probably one of the most weak connections this fandom has ever made. To me, it's referring to earlier in the Midnight Motorist minigame. It's showing what happens after the Midnight Man gets home.

      Even if it does mean it's a date we've seen before, why would it have to be the Puppet minigame?

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    • Every evidence pointing towards William being the player character is pretty weak, and might as well just be a simple red herring.

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    • Well is my explanation logically flawed?

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    • While, I can see the player being Henry, I really don't understand why you keep trying to drag the Afton family into this, or even the notion that William and Henry were anything other than what they themselves implied to be (just best friends). It just won't work!

      Honestly, if I had to choose between William and Henry being the owner of that house, I would much rather go with the notion that the house is Henry's!

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    • Did you even read the theory? The house is Henry's. As is one of the two in FNaF 4. Henry just adopted William's kids sometime before FNaF 4.

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    • Personally, I don't believe these are William's 'real' children.

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    • Adoption would be much easier for William rather than finding someone who would sleep with him just to have kids. Hell, assuming that William looks exactly like how he does in the novels (at least based on PinkyPills art on him), Human Michael doesn't really look much like him.

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    • Tricakay27
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    • TheFazBearSkeptic02 wrote:
      So the first argument is that the child was lured away. That does not conflict with William as Orange guy, since both of the Afton kids were big into Fazbear merch. It wouldn’t be that big a leap to say that the young child saw an animatronic that looked like an FE animatronic and was lured outside. Additionally Orange guy comments that he ran away to that place again, suggesting that the child in question was constantly running away and treated the place he was going to as a safe haven. He was avoiding Orange guy and his anger, much like CC would with William’s testing.

      It’s possible that the character is just a random parent with a random child, but that seems strange for a game that was supposed to be the initial bookend for the series (until Scott decided to create FNAF VR), plus why dedicate a whole minigame to a random set of parents?

      William to me has the best character fit out of all the presented possibilities. Everyone else is either underdeveloped or not a great fit.

      But why he not purple tho?

      I know this question is almost certainly annoying to you by now, but really? I see no reason for him to not be purple. It's not to avoid confusion with Michael - if this is the Afton house, then Couch Guy is most certainly Michael, so this Purple Guy would be William.

      Yes, a character is lured away, but I don't see anyone doing that except William. Not even a Twisted animatronic. Assuming this has happened multiple times... wouldn't a Twisted animatronic just kill the kid? Or if it's a regular animatronic... why are they not onstage? It might technically fit for the story if you twist it a certain way, but it doesn't make any sense for Scott to do that.

      Henry, meanwhile, is the opposite of William, just as yellow is opposite purple on the color wheel. This argument could also, arguably, work for Mrs. Afton, as yellow is purple's compliment.

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    • So why the purple car then, is it just a Faz Ent company car because if so that's pretty sick. Almost justifies working there...almost. 

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    • My theory before this one was that William had a wife who left him for Henry, and then she left Henry for... I dunno, probably Phone Guy or something. That would tie in with the books somewhat better, and explain why Henry would appear to have William's house and car and children. But it feels like a logical leap, so I dropped it.

      But if there was anything in this minigame that was meant as a red herring (and it's so densely packed with random pointers that it feels like something has to be) then I'd say it's the purple car. Again, literally every car before the secret part is purple, and is actually a closer shade of purple to William's color.

      I admit, that's lazy, but is there really ever going to be a perfect Midnight Motorist theory?

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    • So far, I just think the Midnight Motorist is Henry, and William lured Sammy away using the Twisted Wolf shortly after he murdered Charlotte. At least, that’s how I choose to interpret it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    • I think MM is Phone Guy because why not?

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    • DarkSkull198 wrote:
      Adoption would be much easier for William rather than finding someone who would sleep with him just to have kids. Hell, assuming that William looks exactly like how he does in the novels (at least based on PinkyPills art on him), Human Michael doesn't really look much like him.

      LOL

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    • Freddy Fanatic wrote:
      So far, I just think the Midnight Motorist is Henry, and William lured Sammy away using the Twisted Wolf shortly after he murdered Charlotte. At least, that’s how I choose to interpret it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      That explanation is simplier than mine, but I feel like it requires more assumptions. You have to assume Henry has an older son that wasn't mentioned in the books, and that Scott only knows how to draw one house shape. In my theory, the only assumption is that there was a red herring in this minigame that has pointers absolutely everywhere, and we already know Scott has done red herrings before (87 teasers.)

      Granted, it does require that Henry adopted William's children, but that theory clears up other stuff on the timeline. And the minigame came at a time when there were those sorts of holes.

      Hell, this even ties into Candy Cadet somewhat. One of CC's stories is about a man who adopted five children because he was afraid of them being hurt, but losing them all anyway. This theory would bring Henry's number of children up to five, noine of which he has at the end of the series; Elizabeth, the Bite Victim, Michael, Charlie, and Sammy, although only the first three would've been adopted. And this all falls apart at the end of the story when Henry combines all of his children into one and buries them all in one coffin.

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    • I like Dark's version, better! XD

      William has a better chance with his Spring Bonnie suit than with a real woman.

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    • Tricakay27 wrote:
      I like Dark's version, better! XD

      William has a better chance with his Spring Bonnie suit than with a real woman.

      Yeah, for comedic effect. But theorizing purposes? Is there any actual evidence that William is bad with women? Because he has three kids.

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    • I'm still pretty skeptical that those three are really even his.

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    • He has at least two kids.

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    • Michael Afton is definitely his son, and Elizabeth is his daughter in the books.

      Granted, if you don't think Michael is "Foxy Bro," then it would work if the Midnight Motorist was the father of the FNaF 4 family. Although "Mike" is connected to this family via the Logbook.

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    • CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote: That explanation is simplier than mine, but I feel like it requires more assumptions. You have to assume Henry has an older son that wasn't mentioned in the books, and that Scott only knows how to draw one house shape. In my theory, the only assumption is that there was a red herring in this minigame that has pointers absolutely everywhere, and we already know Scott has done red herrings before (87 teasers.)

      Who says that’s Henry’s son? They could just be a family friend, hell, it could be Aunt Jen if you assume that they’re not male. And it’s not necessarily an assumption that Scott only knows how to draw one house shape, just that it’s not the Afton house because it doesn’t match the interior of the FNaF 4 household.

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    • CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote: Michael Afton is definitely his son, and Elizabeth is his daughter in the books.

      Granted, if you don't think Michael is "Foxy Bro," then it would work if the Midnight Motorist was the father of the FNaF 4 family. Although "Mike" is connected to this family via the Logbook.

      Elizabeth is also his daughter in the games.

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    • Freddy Fanatic wrote:

      And it’s not necessarily an assumption that Scott only knows how to draw one house shape, just that it’s not the Afton house because it doesn’t match the interior of the FNaF 4 household.

      I will say time and time again that Scott does not adhere to the laws of architecture.

      Breaker Room Map

      "Father, it's me, Michael. First of all, why is my room smaller than my little brothers? Also, why is it located three nautical miles away?"

      For instance, the Breaker Room map. The only thing we're supposed to glean from this is that Entertainment & Rental is connected to the house from FNaF 4. That's it.

      If we actually take this building structure literally, then the elevator Eggs Benedict rides down in is much much bigger than either of the Afton children's rooms. Taking the side of the elevator into consideration, Eggs also crawls really really slowly.

      And don't even get me started on the "houses" themselves - is that thing on the left supposed to be the entire FNaF 4 house? No kitchen? No bathroom? Only two bedrooms? What's the door to the left of the living room, then? One could argue that that's just the parts which William is spying on, and that's fair enough, but why would he spy on the Fun with Plushtrap hallway?

      Hell, where even is the Fun with Plushtrap hallway? Even if we assume that the lines connecting everything to the white parts are not secret passages, but instead indicating where certain things are above other things (as the Private Room / Nightmare bedroom would indicate) then everything's still super far away. I argued that the house on the left and the house on the right are different, but that doesn't explain why the Plushtrap hallway is the size of about four elevators away from everything else.

      In other words, there are a few ways to identify houses (exterior, wall color, floor color,) but interior architecture is not one of them.

      Also, Helpy, thank you, but I know that. My point was that Elizabeth was still his daughter in the books, even when no other family is mentioned. In a universe where a wife is never addressed, he still has a daughter, so it would make sense if he had a daughter in a universe where a wife was addressed, in the form of Immortal and the Restless.

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    • I agree, Fluffles.

      Now I kinda think that the FNaF 4 house is the house in Midnight Motorist, but it can go either way.

      Orange Man tells the kid inside the room in MM that he told him to not lock the doors. and what do we see in FNaF 4? The doors can't be locked by the kid because he was told not to. (Or maybe because there aren't any locks but you get the connection.)

      The hallways can also gives us hints that the MM house is the FNaF 4 house

      MidnightMotorist-FullMap

      As we see here, there are two windows on one side.


      And in FNaF 4 there are two windows to the right of the room, or north in Midnight Motorist:

      Fredbear righthall far brightened

      Two windows, just like MM.

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    • Even if the house in MM really is the same house in FNaF 4, I still doubt that William is even the actual owner of that house.

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    • Tricakay27 wrote:
      Even if the house in MM really is the same house in FNaF 4, I still doubt that William is even the actual owner of that house.

      Then here comes my theory that the FNaF 4 minigame house is Henry's house, the same one from Midnight Motorist. The "Nightmare" house is William's house, where Michael used to live before Henry took William's kids away. This is the house that William put cameras in and whatnot.

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    • Why doen't JR's let Henry inside their establishment?

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    • Maybe he's on the suspect list as even in TSE Henry was a suspect and some people even still thought Henry was the culprit.

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    • Helpy Central wrote:
      Why doen't JR's let Henry inside their establishment?

      He's drunk.

      From what I understand, in the books, Henry was kind of a crappy father. If he killed himself when she was young, she would never really have understood that he was an alchoholic.

      I see no other reason that the Midnight Motorist could be turned away at the door. JR's is clearly open at, uh, I dunno, midnight so it's not likely to be a kid's restaurant. And even then, it can be assumed Midnight Man is drunk considering he's driving 200 miles per hour in the wrong lane. (Come to think of it, why are the cars driving on the left? Isn't this in Utah?)

      Granted, the speed depends on how you play the game, but in order to get to the secret minigame you have to either drive super fast in the wrong lane, or slam into another car on purpose to slow down, which Motor Man can't do by himself.

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    • Have you guys seen the theory by MatPat about Henry being the father of BV and his brother?(of course yall did). That theory makes a lot of sense. But that would probably mean that Michael isn't William's son, which I can be ok with.

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    • Helpy Central wrote:
      Have you guys seen the theory by MatPat about Henry being the father of BV and his brother?(of course yall did). That theory makes a lot of sense. But that would probably mean that Michael isn't William's son, which I can be ok with.

      Michael's SL monologue is labelled "Michael_Afton" in the game files and PJ Heywood has confirmed that name multiple times. It'd also be weird if the only two British people in the series weren't related at all, especially considering they're both voiced by the same person.

      Most of the theory could still work, though, if neither the Foxy Bro nor BV were Michael, and the FNaF 4 family wasn't related to the Aftons. This "Henry adopted William's children" theory is sort of a hybrid of both that allows all the evidence to be accounted for.

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    • CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote:

      Most of the theory could still work, though, if neither the Foxy Bro nor BV were Michael

      That's the thing! I'm now considering the possibility that BV and his brother are two different characters. And to tell you the truth, I actually think that it would be much easier if both brothers were revealed to not be Michael or even related to Michael.

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    • Someone I think asked before if it was about William killing Sammy. The thing is: William doesn't kill Sammy. Or he doesn't kill Charlotte.

      In the books, William kills Charlotte, but Charlie thinks he killed Sammy. I feel like I'm willing to accept foe the fames that either this is reversed or kept the same, and William definitely kills Charlotte in the games. Even if he did kill Sammy, what would become of his soul? It'd feel pretty unfair to me if someone killed me and my sister and my soul got laid to rsst instantly while she got this badass redemption arc and an army of other restless spirits.

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    • CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote:

      Michael's SL monologue is labelled "Michael_Afton" in the game files and PJ Heywood has confirmed that name multiple times. It'd also be weird if the only two British people in the series weren't related at all, especially considering they're both voiced by the same person.

      Most of the theory could still work, though, if neither the Foxy Bro nor BV were Michael, and the FNaF 4 family wasn't related to the Aftons. This "Henry adopted William's children" theory is sort of a hybrid of both that allows all the evidence to be accounted for.

      How have I never gotten such an essential information. Thank you Fluffles!

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    • Tricakay27 wrote: Not everything points towards Yellow Guy being William, dude. Grasping straws as usual, I see... -_-

      For one, I don’t think it can be William because it seems like the child in question was lured away. There’s the mound of dirt that can be seen, and there’s the poster of the Twisted Wolf in Scrap Baby’s alley screen. You may not like this answer, but I believe the Midnight Motorist is simply a parent of one of William’s victims, as there is evidence that could suggest that the boy was kidnapped by one of the Twisteds. Therefore, this isn’t simply a family dispute, this is the scene of a kidnapping. If this were the Aftons, William wouldn’t need to employ the Twisteds; he’d just use his authority as the boy’s father to take him wherever he needs him to be.

      Also, the most popular belief is that Scott changed Purple Guy/William Afton's color to yellow in Midnight Motorist so we wouldn't mistake him for Michael (assuming that this minigame actually takes place around the time of the 83 incident, where Mike would still be human and too short to even be the player character in Midnight Motorist)

      I'm really surprised that nobody has actually pointed out any flaws on it, yet. How can we mistake William (a normal human being) for Mr. Zombie Corpse Man, whom Green Guy would clearly respond to in a more fearful way? Especially when this minigame clearly takes place sometime after Charlotte's death? Plus, there is really no reason why we'd suddenly think that Mike has any children all of a sudden, when there was really nothing that suggested that he had any in the first place. And, just to make things more clear, this minigame is widely accepted to take place in the same year as FNaF 4, so how could we possibly mistake William for Mike if Mike himself is actually one of the two children in FNaF 4? I'm sorry, but I just wanted to point out some major flaws on Mike being the Orange Guy, so that we'd still think Orange Guy was William even if Scott had kept him purple. I wasn't really trying to say that Orange Guy is or isn't William, I was just trying to point out that there are lots of holes in Mike being the guy we play as, so that, if Scott had kept Purple Guy in his iconic purple color, we wouldn't confuse him for Mike.

      So, even if Orange Man does turn out to be William Afton, Scott needs to remember that we're not morons. We all know very well that WilliamAfton/ original Purple Guy is not literally purple, and that Midnight Motorist cannot possibly take place after Sister Location because that would mean that SL takes place in the exact same year as FNaF 4, and Mike would be an adult around that time, making him a completely separate character from BV and/or Foxy Bully. So, the player character being purple in Midnight Motorist shouldn't really matter because the guy we're playing as clearly isn't Mike, and the drastic change in Purple Guy/William Afton's color would ultimately backfire in Scott's face because of it. Does Scott actually think we're this stupid? What kind of moron actually thought that Purple Guy was literally purple BEFORE Sister Location? You'd think that Scott had more respect for his fans than that 'cause let's be real, Skeptic! Scott never had any real reason to change Purple Guy's iconic color to begin with and that it was all done in vain. Heck, he had no reason to make Yellow Man the same man who more likely sent an animatronic to the house, broke the window of the child's bedroom, and took him away.

      To be honest with you, Yellow Man being William isn't looking very likely just like you would've hoped.

      I just felt that this needed clarifying to anybody reading this.

      Truest statement that has ever been made about MM.

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    • MM has no place in a game that was meant to resolve plot and tie up loose ends. "Oh hey since we're tying the story up lets just chuck in an Orange Guy." 

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    • Starscream1998 wrote: MM has no place in a game that was meant to resolve plot and tie up loose ends. "Oh hey since we're tying the story up lets just chuck in an Orange Guy." 

      Note that this was also the game to throw Henry into the game series. Coincidence? Improbably.

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    • Scott does do coincidences despite what MatPat thinks. 

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    • Just thinking here, but we can further support that the FNaF 4 house is Henry's house as in TTO Williamm built a facility under Henry's house just like in the games with the FNaF 4 house and SL. And as the FNaF 4 house is the MM house as I mentioned previously then that makes Henry Orange Guy.

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    • Ok I haven’t read the whole thread but...

      (haven’t read the novels so this is pretty shaky) Charlie has brothers right? What if CC is her brother? (And FoxyBully).

      And the room is Charlie’s with the mangle in it?

      This is shaky, and I haven’t read the novels so feel free to correct this.

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    • Or CC and Foxy are Afton’s and the family is MM are not the Afton’s and neither is the house.

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    • Orange Guy being Henry is also a great thought. I actually thought of it at some point but hated Sammy's sudden relevance. Henry adopting the Afton kids is a bit...better I guess.

      Well made.

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    • UnderfreshFan wrote:
      Ok I haven’t read the whole thread but...

      (haven’t read the novels so this is pretty shaky) Charlie has brothers right? What if CC is her brother? (And FoxyBully).

      And the room is Charlie’s with the mangle in it?

      This is shaky, and I haven’t read the novels so feel free to correct this.

      It's possible that it's Charlotte's room.

      Granted, the people reason people just assume Elizabeth is already dead is because BV's sister's room is empty... except it's not, given that there's still toys and a bed and what appears to be a camera (the last of which is backed up by the Breaker Room map.) Granted, I'm lucky enough to not know the usual protocol of what one does with a family member's room when they die.

      But if this were Charlotte's room, either she'd already be dead, or as BlackfootFerret suggested, she's alive, in the form of the Toy-girl. If the room were hers, then there would be no real reason to assume Elizabeth is dead.

      Interestingly, though, under this "Henry adopted William's children" theory, Henry is a much worse father.

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    • I will let you know that sometimes parents tend to preserve a childs room even after death just for a while in order to keep the memory of those they've lost. They preserve it in the way it was left too even if it was messy. It tends to be the same thing that parents do when a child moves out to go to college.

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    • Plus, Elizabeth’s not at CC’s birthday party, so...

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    • Freddy Fanatic wrote:
      Plus, Elizabeth’s not at CC’s birthday party, so...

      Yeah, but neither are literally any of the kids who exist solely to say "see you at the party."

      So...

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    • Yet his brother IS there.

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    • Yarchonis wrote:
      Yet his brother IS there.

      Just to bully him, though. I have a feeling Elizabeth isn't a bully.

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    • Still, if Elizabeth were alive, why wouldn’t she be forced to be at his birthday party by her parent(s)? I mean, we know that CC does have a sister because of the feminine bedroom in the house. Why wouldn’t Scott put her there?

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    • Neither William nor Mrs. Afton is there, so the party is probably meant to occur later that day.

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    • That or William's just an absentee father (which seems fairly in-character) and Mrs Afton is either just as bad a parent, not living with William or dead.

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    • Is there something that supports the Foxy brother and BV to be Henry's sons instead of William's?

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    • Not much tbh. MatPat draws connections to Henry's house being above the underground pizzeria in TTO to the facility in SL underneat the FNAF 4 house but 

      A) Novels are an AU and 

      B) The facility is owned by Afton Robotics making the house by proxy William's.

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    • Meh, I can definitely see it working in the games as well.

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    • Eh, I am not that sure.

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    • Me neither. But then again, can we really be sure about everything that goes on in this series?

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    • Great point, we can't.

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    • Yeah a fair point. Tbh if MatPat had gone for the 'Henry adopted Mike' angle it would've potentially solved the major issues in his 'Monster you missed' theory.

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    • Starscream1998 wrote:
      Yeah a fair point. Tbh if MatPat had gone for the 'Henry adopted Mike' angle it would've potentially solved the major issues in his 'Monster you missed' theory.

      Like I said, that video was what inspired this. More specifically, I was inspired with how wrong he was. Even if we ignore his MikeVictim theory (because it's really only his theory at this point,) then we still know for a fact Michael is Michael Afton.

      The thing is, just because one side of a debate (Michael Afton vs. Michael Emily) is proven correct doesn't mean that the other side's evidence shouldn't be accounted for. Yes, it does seem as if Henry is the Midnight Motorist, and yes, it does seem like William is luring Henry's son away, but, it also bears a striking resemblance to the FNaF 4 house, and Michael is almost certainly the one watching TV. This is the only theory I've seen that accounts for both.

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    • The game files saying Michael Afton effectively destroys any credibility the notion that Mike is Henry's biological offspring had and that's discounting the numerous flaws it had even without that nail in the coffin.

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    • The funny thing about that, is that the name 'Michael Afton' is only in the audio file where he is talking to his father, and Mr. Afton/Springtrap shows up after Mike's little speech. But either way you put it, it is undeniable that Michael was talking to William in that cutscene, making him legit his son. And since I have a huge disdain towards the whole 'Afton' plot, I'm happy to inform that the file for the cutscene where Michael starts turning purple was never referred to as 'Michael Afton' and neither in the credits, where he was simply just referred to as 'Michael'.

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    • Unless Henry is inside Springtrap.

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    • BIG OOF XD

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    • Tricakay27 wrote:
      Not everything points towards Yellow Guy being William, dude. Grasping straws as usual, I see... -_-

      For one, I don’t think it can be William because it seems like the child in question was lured away. There’s the mound of dirt that can be seen, and there’s the poster of the Twisted Wolf in Scrap Baby’s alley screen. You may not like this answer, but I believe the Midnight Motorist is simply a parent of one of William’s victims, as there is evidence that could suggest that the boy was kidnapped by one of the Twisteds. Therefore, this isn’t simply a family dispute, this is the scene of a kidnapping. If this were the Aftons, William wouldn’t need to employ the Twisteds; he’d just use his authority as the boy’s father to take him wherever he needs him to be.

      Also, the most popular belief is that Scott changed Purple Guy/William Afton's color to yellow in Midnight Motorist so we wouldn't mistake him for Michael (assuming that this minigame actually takes place around the time of the 83 incident, where Mike would still be human and too short to even be the player character in Midnight Motorist)

      I'm really surprised that nobody has actually pointed out any flaws on it, yet. How can we mistake William (a normal human being) for Mr. Zombie Corpse Man, whom Green Guy would clearly respond to in a more fearful way? Especially when this minigame clearly takes place sometime after Charlotte's death? Plus, there is really no reason why we'd suddenly think that Mike has any children all of a sudden, when there was really nothing that suggested that he had any in the first place. And, just to make things more clear, this minigame is widely accepted to take place in the same year as FNaF 4, so how could we possibly mistake William for Mike if Mike himself is actually one of the two children in FNaF 4? I'm sorry, but I just wanted to point out some major flaws on Mike being the Orange Guy, so that we'd still think Orange Guy was William even if Scott had kept him purple. I wasn't really trying to say that Orange Guy is or isn't William, I was just trying to point out that there are lots of holes in Mike being the guy we play as, so that, if Scott had kept Purple Guy in his iconic purple color, we wouldn't confuse him for Mike.

      So, even if Orange Man does turn out to be William Afton, Scott needs to remember that we're not morons. We all know very well that WilliamAfton/ original Purple Guy is not literally purple, and that Midnight Motorist cannot possibly take place after Sister Location because that would mean that SL takes place in the exact same year as FNaF 4, and Mike would be an adult around that time, making him a completely separate character from BV and/or Foxy Bully. So, the player character being purple in Midnight Motorist shouldn't really matter because the guy we're playing as clearly isn't Mike, and the drastic change in Purple Guy/William Afton's color would ultimately backfire in Scott's face because of it. Does Scott actually think we're this stupid? What kind of moron actually thought that Purple Guy was literally purple BEFORE Sister Location? You'd think that Scott had more respect for his fans than that 'cause let's be real, Skeptic! Scott never had any real reason to change Purple Guy's iconic color to begin with and that it was all done in vain. Heck, he had no reason to make Yellow Man the same man who more likely sent an animatronic to the house, broke the window of the child's bedroom, and took him away.

      To be honest with you, Yellow Man being William isn't looking very likely just like you would've hoped.

      I just felt that this needed clarifying to anybody reading this.

      didnt scott say to NOT use the books to solve the games? mainly because THE BOOKS ARENT CANON?

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    • I always used the books to fill in tiny gaps where the details matched anyway.

      For instance, in the games, the daughter of William's old buisness partner, "HRY," is killed and haunts the Puppet. In the books, the daughter of William's old buisness partner, Henry, is killed and haunts the Puppet. Her name is Charlotte. These two names can be assumed to be canon to the games as well since nothing goes against it.

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    • @Margwe Scott said the books do not fit the games like a puzzle piece does because they are alternate universes, yet they have many similarities with aspects that can be used to solve the lore of the games.

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    • The books may have been intended to be very seperate from the games but by SL it's actually undeniable that Scott clearly went back on that as he starts applying more of the book lore into the game lore e.g. William Afton as a name, Henry as a character, Charlotte as the Puppet etc.

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    • Margwe wrote:

      didnt scott say to NOT use the books to solve the games? mainly because THE BOOKS ARENT CANON?

      I wasn't even using the books for anything! You actually do see a poster of Twisted Wolf in the game as well as the mound of dirt, meaning that there is a pretty good chance that the Twisteds actually do exist in the games as well.

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    • CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote: I always used the books to fill in tiny gaps where the details matched anyway.

      For instance, in the games, the daughter of William's old buisness partner, "HRY," is killed and haunts the Puppet. In the books, the daughter of William's old buisness partner, Henry, is killed and haunts the Puppet. Her name is Charlotte. These two names can be assumed to be canon to the games as well since nothing goes against it.

      HRY can be used in CHARLEY

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    • Or whoever recorded it was just HUNGRY.

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    • XD

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    • Or maybe they were just in a hurry

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    • Henry: "Although for one of you, the darkest pit of Hell has opened up to swallow you whole. So don't keep the devil waiting, old friend."

      William: "You're not you when you're hungry."

      ...We've derailed.

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    • Who the hecc is MM? 

      I'll tell you who he's not, father of the unspecified year

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    • The interesting part about this theory, for me, is that even though Henry adopted William's kids likely just to prevent them from getting hurt, Henry is a much worse father than William.

      I haven't read the books, but my sister has, and she says that they support this conclusion.

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    • Scott at first didn't say they weren't canon, he said they were basically akin of a retelling of the story. He also said that somethings would be stated in the books that never were explained in the games. The two basically could fill in the holes for each other. If you keep that logic in mind that he stated from the start then it becomes clear also that various things that weren't in the game yet were in the books at the start make sense when they are later revealed in the games to be the same. He has more recently now stated that for the holes in the games you can look more to the books to fill in them (which basically is the same thing he originally said just in different words).

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    • CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote: The interesting part about this theory, for me, is that even though Henry adopted William's kids likely just to prevent them from getting hurt, Henry is a much worse father than William.

      I haven't read the books, but my sister has, and she says that they support this conclusion.

      Wait how? William neglected Elizabeth in the novels, and treated her like shit even after she became Baby. Henry was nothing but kind, caring, and protectove of his kids.

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    • Henry in the novels I imagine was a good father but after Charlie's death he was actually mentally unwell. I'm not sure many quite grasp the full reality of that, Henry was suicidal, drowing in grief and actually mentally ill. https://canon-william-afton.tumblr.com/post/177434205772/henry-emily-is-canonly-mentally-ill 

      Henry loved his kids though, he is not William Afton. 

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    • Well, if we assume that Henry's parenting style wasn't really delved into in the books, then that doesn't factor into whether or not he's the Midnight Motorist, meaning it's totally plausible MM shows that he's a bad parent. Nothing ever goes against it officially.

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    • Still think it’s a stretch to say he’s a worse parent than William. At the very least, Henry apologizes to Charlotte for not being able to save her from William the day she was murdered, and he genuinely wants to free her from possessing the Puppet.

      William’s shown to be nothing but neglectful and manipulative towards Michael, doesn’t seem to care much about Michael bullying CC, and there’s a case for him grooming Elizabeth.

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    • Plus how a child is nutured is a huge part of what determines who they are individually. Charlotte was an absolute sweetheart in life and death which pretty much says to me Henry of the games is just like Henry of the books i.e. a good and loving parent prior to Charlotte's death. Only difference being in the books he obsesses over bringing his daughter back and then later ends his life unable to cope whilst in the games he's equally as much of a death seeker except he plans on taking William and the rest of his partner's twisted legacy down with him. 

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    • Feels more like in the game he just wishes to set things right and stop his partner from basically using his animatronics for "evil" (it technically is evil).

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    • Yeah that's more or less the story i.e. Henry just wanted to make cool robots and then William comes along and everything goes to hell...literally depending on you one interprets UCN.

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    • Still trying to make all the family stuff make sense without adoption. But I'm very confident in my assertion that the Midnight Motorist is Henry, it's just that it's impossible to reconsile Henry having an older son without saying that either Henry adopted William's kids or Henry's family is much different in the games, meaning there'd be no point in calling Sammy canon to the games in the first place.

      Now, if I replaced Henry adopting William's kids with Henry and William getting married, it'd explain why Henry would have William's car and all the family weirdness. You could also explain this by William being divorced by his wife and having Michael and Elizabeth taken away by someone who remarried Henry.

      With all of this taken into account, adoption is the easiest answer, and there's definitely a precedent for it in the games. (See: Candy Cadet.) So I'll take it, but if anyone has any alternate explanations, I'd love to be proven wrong on this.

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    • My interpretation that I think is simple but you may not find satisfaction from:

      Midnight Motorist is Henry. Person sitting on the couch watching TV is actually Aunt Jen (minigames aren’t always 100% accurate depictions). This night is shortly after Henry hears about Charlotte’s death, hence “later that night”. Meanwhile, William uses Twisted Wolf to lure Sammy outside and has him killed.

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    • YES ^^^ I AGREE

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    • A fair explanation.

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    • That'd also work, I guess. I mean, we have three reasons to believe that the couch person is Michael, which is more reason than we have to believe anything in this minigame, but it would cause more confusion than anything.

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    • Freddy Fanatic wrote:
      My interpretation that I think is simple but you may not find satisfaction from:

      Midnight Motorist is Henry. Person sitting on the couch watching TV is actually Aunt Jen (minigames aren’t always 100% accurate depictions). This night is shortly after Henry hears about Charlotte’s death, hence “later that night”. Meanwhile, William uses Twisted Wolf to lure Sammy outside and has him killed.

      Has he really built the twisteds that early on??

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    • Brenden4000 wrote:

      Has he really built the twisteds that early on??

      Really no reason for him not to.

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    • Brenden4000 wrote: Has he really built the twisteds that early on??

      I take the mound of dirt as a sign of that.

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    • CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote: Still trying to make all the family stuff make sense without adoption. But I'm very confident in my assertion that the Midnight Motorist is Henry, it's just that it's impossible to reconsile Henry having an older son without saying that either Henry adopted William's kids or Henry's family is much different in the games, meaning there'd be no point in calling Sammy canon to the games in the first place.

      Now, if I replaced Henry adopting William's kids with Henry and William getting married, it'd explain why Henry would have William's car and all the family weirdness. You could also explain this by William being divorced by his wife and having Michael and Elizabeth taken away by someone who remarried Henry.

      With all of this taken into account, adoption is the easiest answer, and there's definitely a precedent for it in the games. (See: Candy Cadet.) So I'll take it, but if anyone has any alternate explanations, I'd love to be proven wrong on this.

      While the idea of Henry and William beign a secret gay couple would make the twisted romantic in me full of headcanon postively snicker with glee it's probably too much of a crack theory. One alternative explanation I suppose is that the two simply shared living space a lot of the time. They were close friends and partners who likely would've wanted to stay in close proximity for ease of business. Their kids respectively would've also had to have spent time in both the Emily and Afton households due to the work schedules of their respective fathers.

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    • Starscream1998 wrote:

      While the idea of Henry and William beign a secret gay couple would make the twisted romantic in me full of headcanon postively snicker with glee it's probably too much of a crack theory. One alternative explanation I suppose is that the two simply shared living space a lot of the time. They were close friends and partners who likely would've wanted to stay in close proximity for ease of business. Their kids respectively would've also had to have spent time in both the Emily and Afton households due to the work schedules of their respective fathers.

      I'm confident that Sammy is meant to be the Bite Victim, meaning Henry would have to have an older son that isn't mentioned in the books. It would also mean that the Foxy Bro isn't Michael, meaning the Foxy Bro isn't Mike Schmidt, and thus Cassidy isn't attacking Michael because he killed Sammy... ergo, I choose to believe either Henry adopted Michael and Elizabeth, or the story's so complicated that Scott screwed it up.

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    • Plot twist: The older brother's name is Pete. 

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    • Tricakay27 wrote:
      Plot twist: The older brother's name is Pete. 

      Plot twist: No.

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    • Aw, you're no fun... >:(

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    • Tricakay27 wrote:
      Aw, you're no fun... >:(

      I mean, it could work. If Michael isn't the FoxyBro then I guess we'd just need a name for him. And it wouldn't confirm MikeVictim since Michael is an Afton and BV clearly isn't. It would just make a lot of things a lot harder.

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    • CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote:

      Starscream1998 wrote:

      While the idea of Henry and William beign a secret gay couple would make the twisted romantic in me full of headcanon postively snicker with glee it's probably too much of a crack theory. One alternative explanation I suppose is that the two simply shared living space a lot of the time. They were close friends and partners who likely would've wanted to stay in close proximity for ease of business. Their kids respectively would've also had to have spent time in both the Emily and Afton households due to the work schedules of their respective fathers.

      I'm confident that Sammy is meant to be the Bite Victim, meaning Henry would have to have an older son that isn't mentioned in the books. It would also mean that the Foxy Bro isn't Michael, meaning the Foxy Bro isn't Mike Schmidt, and thus Cassidy isn't attacking Michael because he killed Sammy... ergo, I choose to believe either Henry adopted Michael and Elizabeth, or the story's so complicated that Scott screwed it up.

      Man what a choice.

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    • Couldn't the FNaF 4 kids be just random kids?? Maybe they are Phone Guy's kids??

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    • If it helps, I've since changed my mind about Sammy... since four days ago... like, three times...

      Why does it feel like everything moves so fast here?

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    • I believe that Orange/Yellow Guy is William. JR's are the first Freddy Fazbear Pizza. He can't go here because Henry being an owner of this location forbade him to do so.

      Henry did it because of disappearance of three kids (another two kids were killed later). He suspect William of doing this.  William come to freddys to check if his son was there. According to Survival Logbook Michael likes riding on the carousel.  In the first Freddys there was a carousel wchich we can see in Fnaf 2 location.The first freddys is the same building as Fnaf 1 location. Only in 1983 they have a bigger budget.

      William killed Charlie in the same building as the FFPS location.

      It was a new, smaller sister location. I think Mediocre Melodies performed on the stage here(we can't see that of course in TCTTC). Nedd bear is another bear like Fredbear and Freddy Fazbear. There was a man in freddy costume as in freddys there was a man in Fredbear costume. He gave cakes to children. The bransolets on the hands of the children there matched the colors of Mediocre Melodies animatronics. 

      Henry created a puppet to protect his daughter because he was afraid of William.

      William killed his daughter and returned home later that night. At the midnight.

      The footprints outside the house belongs to the nightmare animatronic. Near the house there was a mound of dirt like in Twisted Ones novel. Nightmare animatronics are basicaly twisted animatronics.

      This theory explains a lot and I really like it. 

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    • Yellow Guy can't be William Afton, tho. There are things that completely contradict it like the big footprints, the mound of dirt, the broken window, and the missing child. My theory is that Yellow Guy is the father of one of the missing children, probably Jeremy, and that William used a Twisted animatronic to lure the child away.

      This disgustingly popular Yellow/William theory is the real reason why we cannot even solve this minigame.

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    • Tricakay27 wrote:
      Yellow Guy can't be William, tho. There are things that completely contradict it like the big footprints, broken window, and missing child. My theory is that Yellow Guy is the father of one of the missing children, probably Jeremy, and that William used a Twisted animatronic to lure the child away.

      Also, that mound of dirt you just mentioned is also a flaw in William being the Yellow Guy.

      I don't see why big footprints and mound of dirt contradicts him being William. Broken window could be Michael doing. His window was closed so he broke it trying to escape. William could use nightmare animatronics to watch over his son. This situation could be a twisted reflection of the situation with Henry and his daughter. He made a puppet to protect her. Wiliam created monsters to keep his son from going to the place he loved.

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    • I find that all very hard to believe. -_-

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    • Tricakay27 wrote: Yellow Guy can't be William Afton, tho. There are things that completely contradict it like the big footprints, the mound of dirt, the broken window, and the missing child. My theory is that Yellow Guy is the father of one of the missing children, probably Jeremy, and that William used a Twisted animatronic to lure the child away.

      This disgustingly popular Yellow/William theory is the real reason why we cannot even solve this minigame.

      I agree with this, except replace Twisted animatronic (because I'm not sure they exist in the games) with William in the IRL analogue of Glitchtrap

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    • What a brilliant Idea! :D That's even better than those other theories!

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    • I say the footprint is the Springbonnie costume, not a suit, though. That way, the rain's not going to activate any springlocks. 

      Oh and that Springbonnie suit very well can be Glitchtrap IRL. Take Pizza Party, a child going from his bedroom to a pizzeria, and Glitchtrap appears at the end. 

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    • SinFaz - X wrote: I say the footprint is the Springbonnie costume, not a suit, though. That way, the rain's not going to activate any springlocks. 

      Oh and that Springbonnie suit very well can be Glitchtrap IRL. Take Pizza Party, a child going from his bedroom to a pizzeria, and Glitchtrap appears at the end.

      Never thought of it like that. Interestingly, the whole game is setting up for this "party."

      What other FNaF game sets up for a party?

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    • Tricakay27 wrote:
      Yellow Guy can't be William Afton, tho. There are things that completely contradict it like the big footprints, the mound of dirt, the broken window, and the missing child. My theory is that Yellow Guy is the father of one of the missing children, probably Jeremy, and that William used a Twisted animatronic to lure the child away.

      This disgustingly popular Yellow/William theory is the real reason why we cannot even solve this minigame.

      I think I solved it. If theory is supported by evidence and makes logical sense then it's could be true.

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    • But it doesn't make logical sense?

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    • Gathaspar16 wrote:

      I think I solved it. 

      You did nothing of the kind! XD

      Gathaspar16 wrote:

      If theory is supported by evidence and makes logical sense then it's could be true.

      Except there isn't anything that supports it, and there's no logic behind it?

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    • Nightmarrionette wrote:

      Tricakay27 wrote: Yellow Guy can't be William Afton, tho. There are things that completely contradict it like the big footprints, the mound of dirt, the broken window, and the missing child. My theory is that Yellow Guy is the father of one of the missing children, probably Jeremy, and that William used a Twisted animatronic to lure the child away.

      This disgustingly popular Yellow/William theory is the real reason why we cannot even solve this minigame.

      I agree with this, except replace Twisted animatronic (because I'm not sure they exist in the games) with William in the IRL analogue of Glitchtrap

      Nigthmare animatronics are pretty much the same thing as twisted animatronics. 

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    • No, they aren't!

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    • The Nightmares share some similarities with the Twisteds, but they aren't the same

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    • The Nightmares most likely don’t even physically exist, whereas the Twisteds do.

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    • I dunno, I see them being similar. The Nightmares are the result of a dream, and the Twosteds involve illusion disks. Both of them rely on how the viewer perceives the characters.

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    • Well I don't think this minigame shows an abduction of one of the MCI children. Its the same house as in Fnaf4 and FnafSL. Henry in books never shows agressive behavior towards his children. In games we have no evidence for this either unless we assum that Yellow guy is Henry. Assumption isn't a good evidence though.

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    • Well, that is your opinion!

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    • There’s little to no reason why William would be portrayed as yellow-orange instead of purple. Purple is his signature color.

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    • I presented some good evidence for Henry being MM in this thread. Care to debunk it? (It's around the picture of the small Yellow Fellow sprite.)

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    • Freddy Fanatic wrote:
      There’s little to no reason why William would be portrayed as yellow-orange instead of purple. Purple is his signature color.

      Aaaand, we wait for this person to come up with a BS excuse for this reasoning!

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    • Freddy Fanatic wrote:
      There’s little to no reason why William would be portrayed as yellow-orange instead of purple. Purple is his signature color.

      In the end of Fnaf4 there is text in the same color saying ,,I will put you back together" wchich only Aftons use.

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    • See, what did I tell ya?

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    • Gathaspar16 wrote:

      Freddy Fanatic wrote:
      There’s little to no reason why William would be portrayed as yellow-orange instead of purple. Purple is his signature color.

      In the end of Fnaf4 there is text in the same color saying ,,I will put you back together" wchich only Aftons use.

      I think Elizabeth is the one saying that rather than William, but okay.

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    • It is widely accepted that the Fredbear Plush is haunted.

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    • I believe the Fredbear Plush is a camera.

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    • The Fredbear plush is a haunted camera.

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    • It looks nothing like a camera. -_-

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    • The camera is haunted by the Fredbear plush.

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    • I can't tell when people are being serious, anymore...

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    • It's either haunted by the Puppet or Cassidy imo.

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    • Have you read or seen those teddy bears that have cameras and mics inside them? That's what I believe the plush is. I think this is shown in the SL office with the Fredbear plush having a walkie talkie with it, possibly what William used to communicate with the child but the child might believe it is the Fredbear plush talking. There are also multiple Fredbear plushes to spy on the kid. Idk, I think it being a camera makes more sense that being haunted.

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    • Tricakay27 wrote: I can't tell when people are being serious, anymore...

      That second one was a joke.

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    • The Fredbear plush in the sewers and cosplaying Flowey gives me a supernatural impression though.

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    • It's also interesting to compare BV's toys to Charlie's. They're introduced around the same time, with Charlie's (I think) revealed to have been kept away in a box.

      Note that removing a plush toy's head as cleanly as Foxy's is would be difficult.

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    • How can a plush's head fit the Foxy bro's head? Scott is weird.

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    • Freddy Fanatic wrote:

      Gathaspar16 wrote:

      Freddy Fanatic wrote:
      There’s little to no reason why William would be portrayed as yellow-orange instead of purple. Purple is his signature color.

      In the end of Fnaf4 there is text in the same color saying ,,I will put you back together" wchich only Aftons use.

      I think Elizabeth is the one saying that rather than William, but okay.

      William told Michael to put her back together.

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    • The masks are implied to be separate, as all BV's plushies remain with him after all four bullies are seen wearing masks.

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    • Gathaspar16 wrote:

      William told Michael to put her back together


      So?

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    • CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote: The masks are implied to be separate, as all BV's plushies remain with him after all four bullies are seen wearing masks.

      But wasn't that in BV's mind while he was dying? But yeah, it makes sense that the masks are separate.

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    • Tricakay27 wrote: You don't know that. Also, Mike being the BV is a load of rubbish!

      Did anyone say that?

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    • Sorry, I got confused... I thought he said that William told Michael that he'd put him back together. I didn't see that he was actually talking about Elizabeth.

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    • I think it is possible for Mike to be BV. When a theory doesn't have concrete evidence against it's assertions I always put it in the realm of possibility. Discarding theory's because you don't find them to be true is like throwing bullets away before a gun fight because you think you wouldn't need as many.

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    • Helpy Central wrote: I think it is possible for Mike to be BV. When a theory doesn't have concrete evidence against it's assertions I always put it in the realm of possibility. Discarding theory's because you don't find them to be true is like throwing bullets away before a gun fight because you think you wouldn't need as many.

      It's definitely something Scott wants us to consider, but he's wanted us to consider false things in the past.

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    • That sneaky bastard...

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    • It's important to note what theories Scott wants us to consider, as I believe all true theories to be of this nature. There's nothing Scott wanted us to never figure out.

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    • Do the Freddy Files theories count? Idk but to me it seemed like a scholastic employee binge watched Game Theory's FNaF theories and then wrote some down. Not that all the theories there are bad but some are easily debunked.

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    • I only recently noticed how Scott praised MatPat's "Afton family" theory, but it's never mentioned how the "Fan Theory: A Family Affair" page of TFF predates the video.

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    • Fnaf VR DLC: Curse of Dreadbear focuses strongly on Fnaf4, Midnight Motorist and Halloweenfeast of 1983.  It clearly suggest that Midnight Motorist takes places in 1983 and from books we know that Charlie was killed on Halloween and adding ,,Later that Night" this proves that Midnight Motorist happens the same night when William killed Charlie. 

      Henry wouldn't  leave his daughter in pizzeria knowing that she's in danger. Puppet is a prove that he trying to protect her from something or rather someone.

      Glichtrap is the only problem for me. His three-toed feet.

      Yellow Guy just can't be Henry for me.

      I don't say I am right. 

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    • "Later that night" can refer to anything. I attribute it to later, after the main part of the minigame you just saw.

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    • Gathaspar16 wrote:

      Glichtrap is the only problem for me. His three-toed feet.

      That is why I strongly suggest ditching the Yellow Guy = William Afton theory and going with Glitchtrap = the culprit behind the 3-toed footprints, plus Glitchtrap has more evidence to being William Afton than Yellow Guy does.

      You see, you find one problem with your Yellow Guy = William Afton theory, and it ultimately backfires in your face.

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    • The footprint either belongs to a Twisted or Glitchtrap. I think we all agree on that here.

      But I think it would make more sense in the order of things being released if it was a Twisted since VR:HW came out like a year later, whereas TTO was already out. It also explains the mysterious mound.

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    • I mean, it is still possible to be the Twisteds, considering that they were also said to be waterproof according to The Twisted Ones.

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    • Weird detail to add if Scott weren't workin' on something. We have to remember that the development of the books and games overlap, and when Scott said he clears stuff up in the next game, the books were likely included.

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    • That is a fair point, actually.

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    • CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote:
      Weird detail to add if Scott weren't workin' on something. We have to remember that the development of the books and games overlap, and when Scott said he clears stuff up in the next game, the books were likely included.

      Alternatively, the books may not have been included, in which case the parallels between Pizza Party and Midnight Motorists become more apparent.

      Plus Scott released TTO long before Pizzeria Sim was being created, meaning he was probably working on it back while SL was in development. I feel if it should be used to fill in the mysteries of any game, it's that FNAF 4-SL era. TSE helped with the Original Trilogy, TTO helps with the Confusing/Enraging era, and TFC helps with FFPS and UCN.

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    • I'd sorta paired up FNaF 4 5 and 6 with books 1 2 and 3 in my head, but I'd have to look at the order of release.

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    • TSE came out between FNAF 4 and FNAF World, and was likely in development around the same time as FNAF 4. It was written in a way that, at least to me, was focused moreso on unresolved threads of FNAF 1, 2, and 3. There weren't too many references to FNAF 4.



      TTO came out after the SL Custom Night, and seemed to focus a lot on that game in a lot of ways, like the underground facility and Afton Robotics. It also looked back on FNAF 4, possibly with the sound illusion discs and Nightmare being on the cover, as well as the similarities between the Twisteds and the Nightmares. It was also this novel that really sparked the Robo-Charlie theories in the community as a whole (granted people did propose it going all the way back to TSE), which obviously had an influence on MikeBot.



      TFC came out soon after FFPS, and seemed to address some of its mysteries, like Molten Freddy, Baby, remnant, what happened to Charlie, and the MCI kids.



      I always consider the novels as lining up with those eras of the games, both in terms of stories and in terms of tone. TSE is FNAF 1-3, relatively simple with a few mysteries left open, and a pretty tidy story overall. It was simple and effective at telling us who's who, while still leaving things up in the air.

      TTO is FNAF 4 and SL, which kind of helps confuse more than it does help, both in the sense that it kind of heavily convolutes the story of the actual novels, but that people used it to fill in the games, which ended up convoluting both.

      TFC is FFPS and UCN, which helped answer a lot of longstanding questions, but also raised some more that currently plague the fanbase.

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    • I don't care who you are. Taking a heavily debated story and then adding selective canon, fake names, soul robots and false memories is an absolutely terrible idea.

      I'm tempted at this point to throw the Logbook in with the novels. It is a book, after all. Does that mean I'm going to make theories about the novels? Hell no, but I wouldn't have to worry about the Logbook anymore. It'd be somebody else's problem.

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    • Night's book and game comparison makes a lot of sense. I buy it.

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    • That's highly debatable and raises a lot of questions about the purpose William had for those rooms. Some of the quotes from UCN even state that they weren't real.

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    • "I am given flesh to be your tormentor. Nightmare Freddy, UCN.

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    • The Breaker Room map is absolutely atrocious. Scott Cawthon absolutely buttfucked the architecture industry when he revealed that not only does Fredbear's Family Diner not have any kitchens or bathrooms, but neither does William's house.

      Why would Michael's bedroom be so far away from his brother's? Or, if it's a different house altogether, how would anyone live in that house?

      Is the door to the left of the living room actually, in fact, a weirdly shaped wall?

      Speaking of the Aftons' living room, why is the couch facing the same direction as the TV? Do the kids sit on the floor and watch cartoons and Mom and Dad watch the paint dry?

      Why is the elevator for Circus Baby's Entertainment & Rental bigger than Michael's entire bedroom? Why is Baby's stage (the smallest of the three) slightly bigger than the entire FNaF 4 house?

      In Midnight Motorist, why is there no space for an actual room that Yellow Fellow is trying to get into? One screen up from that is outside, where the minigame ends. Is there a tiny room between the walls? Do all the walls have this?

      I've said it before and I'll say it again. If we're supposed to take Scott's architecture skills seriously, then we're screwed.

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    • DarkSkull198 wrote: That's highly debatable and raises a lot of questions about the purpose William had for those rooms. Some of the quotes from UCN even state that they weren't real.

      It's weird that they were pointed on the map like the other animatronics. Maybe they just plushies with perspective discs. I think in those rooms(His old house,plushtrap hallway) William experimented on children.

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    • Gathaspar16 wrote:

      DarkSkull198 wrote: That's highly debatable and raises a lot of questions about the purpose William had for those rooms. Some of the quotes from UCN even state that they weren't real.

      It's weird that they were pointed on the map like the other animatronics. Maybe they just plushies with perspective discs. I think in those rooms(His old house,plushtrap hallway) William experimented on children.

      I just don't see why this "experimenting on children" thing would be alluded to in Sister Location and then not expanded upon until ((checks calander)) ever.

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    • The murders themselves kind of count as William’s experiments on children.

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    • No, we are not to taking the architecture seriously.

      And yes, the breaker room demonstrates that FNaF 4 was not a dream after all and that the Nightmare animatronics are not the result of bad dreams. Though I do not believe them to have a physical form, but rather are illusions created by discs similar if not identical to the twisted animatronics of the books. These discs are probably located in the areas highlighted in the map and I assume them to be plushies of the respective characters due to the location of the foxy plushie and the freddy plushie. People can debate against this interpretation by citing the camera movements while ignoring that the FNaF 1 animatronics do not grab us when they jumpscare us as shown in the gameplay position of their arms and the game development images released by Scott. But it can still be argued that FNaF 4 gameplay is dream, but that will require people to ignore what the breaker room reveals, which is possibly the most common and terrible method that bad theories are made.

      Also Nightmare Fredbear has a voiceline in UCN which says "This time, there is more than an illusion to fear." and Nightmare Freddy saying "I am remade, but not by you. By the one you should not have killed." both of which imply that the nightmares were illusions created by William.

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    • William Afton experimented with remnant, sure, but live children? His own live children?

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    • nom nom nom

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    • My thoughts exactly, UnderfreshFan.

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    • Wiser words have never been spoken...no I'm serious on that there is a actual lack of them also I think we may have derailed.

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    • I think the OP had finally spoke its peace, already.

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    • MM is a tricky b*****, even MatPat holds no love for it.

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    • Speaking of MatPat, he has been kinda losing it since FNaF VR.

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    • Matpat is on the neverending downward spiral

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    • Agreed.

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    • MatPat's been losing it since the Logbook.

      His "new timeline" is one of the worst things I've ever seen, where he puts the MCI as the first event in the timeline in 1983 and then the murder of the Puppet in 1987.

      Like, where are those bodies over the course of four years? Is he forgetting that the Puppet is the one stuffing the bodies in the suits, not the killer like he's been assuming?

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    • MatPat my dude Scott has literally complimented several of your past theories for being on the money so don't then just start from scratch again. Build on the theories he complimented.

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    • Exactly! I recommend to everyone in the community to just build off of MatPat's FNaF 2 and SL Finale theories and not try to look at FNaF from a fresh viewpoint. It's a pointless headache to do so.

      Side note: If something "hit it out of the park," and was "important," but "wasn't 100%, obviously," according to the creator, I think that implies it's somewhere around the 85%-95% range. Getting the two Afton brothers mixed up and accidentally attributing Ballora to William's wife when it was really Henry's? Not likely.

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    • Also MatPat's Box Theory got praised by Scott during the interview so look at that one as well.

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    • You can yell at all theories and disprove them, but some of his theories seem pretty believable. 

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    • There are good ones and there are bad ones. But the ones after the logbook video are... really messed up in my opinion.

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    • I mostly watch them for solely entertainment these days.

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    • That's probably the main reason MatPat is making those up. Or at least I hope that's the reason, because if he's actually serious...

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    • My favorite part of his new timeline is when he runs into a paradox where Circus Baby's Pizza World had to open after Freddy's/Fredbear's closed, so BV couldn't have seen Elizabeth get killed... and his solution is literally to throw out information from Phone Guy.

      Good job M'Pat.

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    • Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rental is at least confirmed to be after Freddy's/Fredbear's closed. Not sure if HandUnit specifically referred to Pizza World, but he could have.

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    • Helpy Central wrote:
      Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rental is at least confirmed to be after Freddy's/Fredbear's closed. Not sure if HandUnit specifically referred to Pizza World, but he could have.

      Allow me to fill this somewhat frightening silence with some lighthearted banter. Due to the massive success, and, even more so, the unfortunate closing of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, it was clear that the stage was set (no pun intended) for another contender in children's entertainment. Unlike most entertainment venues, our robotic entertainers are rented out for private parties during the day, and it's your job to get the robots back in proper working order before the following morning.

      Hand unit- Night 1

      The last sentence suggest that he talks about Circus Baby's Entertainment and the Rental not Circus Baby Pizza World.

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    • In Night 4 Baby says that springlock suit was in her location when it was open. 

      You’re inside something that came from my old pizzeria. I don’t think it was ever used, at least not the way it was meant to be used. 

      Baby- Night 4

      William used sprinbonnie suit when they were forbidden to use.

      Uh, hello? Hello, hello! Uh, there's been a slight change of company policy concerning use of the suits. Um, don't. After learning of an unfortunate incident at the sister location, involving multiple and simultaneous spring lock failures, the company has deemed the suits temporarily unfit for employees.

      Phone Guy- Fnaf 3- Night 4

      Management has also been made aware that the Spring Bonnie animatronic has been noticeably moved. We would like to remind employees that this costume is not safe to wear under any circumstances. 

      Phone Guy- Fnaf 3- Night 5

      That means that two kids from MCI were lured to saferoom after closing of Circus Baby Pizza World.

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    • Helpy Central wrote: That's probably the main reason MatPat is making those up. Or at least I hope that's the reason, because if he's actually serious...

      One should never be too serious when discussing books that have literal time-travelling ball pits in them.

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    • Gathaspar16 wrote:

      That means that two kids from MCI were lured to saferoom after closing of Circus Baby Pizza World.

      I disagree. Didn't GGG show that they were all lured to Pirate Cove?

      My interpretation of the incident uses the fact that they were "reportedly lured," meaning the cameras never caught the children themselves, but rather the man responsible for their disappearences. That's why only two were reported at first but five were clearly murdered on the same day.

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    • Starscream1998 wrote:

      Helpy Central wrote: That's probably the main reason MatPat is making those up. Or at least I hope that's the reason, because if he's actually serious...

      One should never be too serious when discussing books that have literal time-travelling ball pits in them.

      Has anyone considered that Molten Freddy hides on the discount ball pit on the first night? Relevance anyone?

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    • CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote:
      Gathaspar16 wrote:

      That means that two kids from MCI were lured to saferoom after closing of Circus Baby Pizza World.

      I disagree. Didn't GGG show that they were all lured to Pirate Cove?

      My interpretation of the incident uses the fact that they were "reportedly lured," meaning the cameras never caught the children themselves, but rather the man responsible for their disappearences. That's why only two were reported at first but five were clearly murdered on the same day.

      I think that Go!Go!Go! is a different incident. 

      Of course William could kill five children after closing of Circus Baby Pizza but the reason for Baby and other Funtimes is to kill and kidnapp children for his experiments about soul that lead to him extracting remnant. He knew about possiblity of possesion becouse he saw puppet and other animatronics coming to life. 

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    • I see that part of the timeline as MCI > BV dies > FFD closes > CBPW / Elizabeth dies > FFP closes > CBE&R opens.

      I find it a little hard to believe that a set of five children would die and then go on to haunt nothing and be nothing. That's why my beliefs of SAVETHEM are as they are. It would just be strange if the FNaF 2 death minigames, as helpful as they are, would show two sets of five children dying neither of which were the murder of five children that kicked off the series, y'know?

      Also, it's spelled "incident."

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    • If we line up the pirates cove in GGG with how it's positioned in fnaf 1 we get this.

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      Foxy runs out and up. INTO REMNANT LAND WHERE THE SUGAR BLOSSOMS AND THE CANDY GROWS ON FLOWERS

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    • Which is actually some fun proof that it isn't in the Fnaf 2 location like Ferret claims. 

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    • CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote:
      I see that part of the timeline as MCI > BV dies > FFD closes > CBPW / Elizabeth dies > FFP closes > CBE&R opens.

      I find it a little hard to believe that a set of five children would die and then go on to haunt nothing and be nothing. That's why my beliefs of SAVETHEM are as they are. It would just be strange if the FNaF 2 death minigames, as helpful as they are, would show two sets of five children dying neither of which were the murder of five children that kicked off the series, y'know?


      In CBPW there was a springlock suit. William use springbonnie suit when it was forbidden so all five children can't died before CBPW. 

      One of the newspapers says that ,,Five children are now linked to the incident at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza". Three children were reported missing before and after William was caught luring two children to the saferoom other missings were atribiuted to him.

      I bielieve that kids from Go!Go!Go! became two shadows(I know lame explanation), endoskeleton, JJ and Paperplate-boy. I don't say that's true. 

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    • Gathaspar16 wrote:

      In CBPW there was a springlock suit. William use springbonnie suit when it was forbidden so all five children can't died before CBPW. 

      One of the newspapers says that ,,Five children are now linked to the incident at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza". Three children were reported missing before and after William was caught luring two children to the saferoom other missings were atribiuted to him.

      I bielieve that kids from Go!Go!Go! became two shadows(I know lame explanation), endoskeleton, JJ and Paperplate-boy. I don't say that's true. 

      Fair point. I do see it as somewhat of a paradox that "they come to life at night" before FNaF 4, ergo GGGL has already happened, yet the spring Bonnie suit is used for something after it's out of commission, which makes the most sense as the MCI. There's no clean solution, since either the MCI and GGGL happen one to two kids/animatronics at a time, which would be a bit weird and conflict with the actual minigames, or the spring Bonnie suit is used for something else. I prefer the latter explanation, but I'm not sure what it could be used for.

      I used to agree with that, but there's also a way to explain it without making that the case. Happiest Day, Go Go Go, and the exact wording of the newspapers appear to indicate that it's all one event. "Five children are now linked with the incident"--singular--"at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza where a man dressed as a cartoon mascot led them"--all five children, as "them" refers to the subject of the sentence--"into a back room."

      There's better explanations for those things. The endoskeleton and JJ never behave supernaturally, both moving in ways that their supposed programming would allow. The paperpals don't necessarily need to be haunted, as it's a common theory that some animatronic is moving them into your office. And the Shadows have different explanations depending on whom you ask.

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    • Everything has a different explanation depending on who you ask. At risk of sounding either stupidly brilliant or brilliantly stupid has anyone considered the possibility that the Shadows are in fact actual shadows? I mean okay maybe a little more unusual than your typical shadow but it's all there in the name...well actually the same could be said about the Nightmare animatronics and they have suspicious implications to being a bit more real...and I suppose technically the name only applies to Shadow Freddy as Shadow Bonnie and Shadow Dee Dee have those really stupid sounding names that look like Scot just smashed his head against a keyboard.

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    • My last words about identity of Yellow Guy are that he is William Afton. Only evidence for Adoption Theory is assumption that he is Henry. Anywhere else in the games we couldn't find any evidence  to support the theory that Henry adopted William's children. If we assume that this is true it still gives nothing to the story.

      It's confirmed by rain, ,,Later that Night", and FnaF VR DLC that this minigame takes place just after TCTTC, Security Puppet minigame. 

      You can't say that my theory is illogical and doesn't makes sense just because William have different color(just like text saying,,I will put you back together" which at this point is confirmed to be said by William) and because of animatronic footprints outside.

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    • Tricakay27 wrote:
      Gathaspar16 wrote:

      I think I solved it. 

      You did nothing of the kind! XD


      Gathaspar16 wrote:

      If theory is supported by evidence and makes logical sense then it's could be true.

      Except there isn't anything that supports it, and there's no logic behind it?

      I don't think so. There's no evidence for him being Henry (except that his house in the books was connected to the underground location) or anyone else. You just trying to make me angry. I gave evidence to support that. There is logic behind it. 

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    • Call me crazy, but I think William would be represented with purple.

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    • CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote:
      Call me crazy, but I think William would be represented with purple.

      ,,You're broken." , ,,I will put you back together". 

      Now I know that I dont have to waste time explaining and giving evidence. You ignore everything anyway.

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    • Did you actually acknowledge the evidence that Henry was MM?

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    • So you aren't ignoring the Toy Chica cutscenes from UCN, Pizza Party and the sprite colors' difference by saying William is Orange Guy? Yeah %100, definitely, zero doubt.

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    • The fact that Gathaspar attributes the "I will put you back together" quote to William makes me feel like this will turn into a MikeVictim issue.

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    • I wouldn't be so surprised.

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    • CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote:
      Did you actually acknowledge the evidence that Henry was MM?

      Yes and I will not repeat myself about that.

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    • SinFaz - X wrote:
      So you aren't ignoring the Toy Chica cutscenes from UCN, Pizza Party and the sprite colors' difference by saying William is Orange Guy? Yeah %100, definitely, zero doubt.

      So William told Susie that he run over her dog? Fnaf 4 kid teleported between many location(nothing about broken window and escape through it) and got stuffed into Freddy? As for the sprite colors I will not repeat myself.

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    • CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote:
      The fact that Gathaspar attributes the "I will put you back together" quote to William makes me feel like this will turn into a MikeVictim issue.

      I change my mind about MikeVictim. Now I believe again in GoldenVictim.

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    • At least that's a bit of a progress I guess.

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    • I won't change my mind about my William Motorist theory. I know about all evidence against it.

      The reason why I am angry is because you said that it makes no sense, it's illogical and I did not give evidence to support it which was not true.

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    • I see no reason for Scott to make William yellow, though. Doesn't that bother you?

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    • CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote:
      I see no reason for Scott to make William yellow, though. Doesn't that bother you?

      I think that William sprite in this minigame matches with color of ,,I will put you but together" text. In Fnaf SL it turned out that William used this phrase. He told Michael to put her back together.

      Scott wanted to confuse us.

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    • Excuses!

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    • Tricakay27 wrote:
      Excuses!

      If it's Henry then what this minigame tell us about the Fnaf Story?

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    • I never said anything about Henry, now did I? I'm a firm believer that this is another MCI minigame like Fruity Maze.

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    • Gathaspar16 wrote:

      Tricakay27 wrote:
      Excuses!

      If it's Henry then what this minigame tell us about the Fnaf Story?

      ...it tells us that Henry adopted William's children? Did you read the thread?

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    • Tricakay27 wrote:
      I never said anything about Henry, now did I? I'm a firm believer that this is another MCI minigame like Fruity Maze.

      But it's a Fnaf 4 house and person sitting in front of the TV speaks gray text just like older brother.

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    • CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote:

      Gathaspar16 wrote:

      Tricakay27 wrote:
      Excuses!
      If it's Henry then what this minigame tell us about the Fnaf Story?
      ...it tells us that Henry adopted William's children? Did you read the thread?

      My last words about identity of Yellow Guy are that he is William Afton. Only evidence for Adoption Theory is assumption that he is Henry. Anywhere else in the games we couldn't find any evidence  to support the theory that Henry adopted William's children. If we assume that this is true it still gives nothing to the story. - My past comment.

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    • Yep! We agree there's proof of it being the Afton house but it's clearly not William there. Solutions:

      1. Scott wants to trick us

      2. Henry adopted William's kids

      3. William and Henry are big gay

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    • You claim it's bad to assume, and yet, you're doing the exact same thing.

      The FNaF 4 and MM house can't be William's house, either.  We've already been through this. Either it's Henry's, or one of the MCI children's parent's house.

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    • CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote:
      Yep! We agree there's proof of it being the Afton house but it's clearly not William there. Solutions:

      1. Scott wants to trick us

      2. Henry adopted William's kids

      3. William and Henry are big gay

      If adoption is true then it's a bad storytelling. There was no other evidence for that. It's irrelevant to the story.

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    • It's bad storytelling, either way! No matter which way you look at it, everything is bad storytelling. And that includes the overly popular Midnight Motorist theory. It's perfectly clear that the 3-toed creature is responsible for the broken window and the child's disappearance, meaning that it must be William behind the 3-toed creature.

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    • The best interpretation for storytelling is Henry and William being married, but y'all ain't ready for that tea.

      Candy Cadet literally sets the precedent for adoption in FNaF.

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    • There's nothing "best" about that "interpretation". I wouldn't even dare ship William with Yzma or Maleficent, he is so disgusting!

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    • I am a bit curious why you're so deadset about Henry and William being a couple, when they seem to be mortal archenemies in canon.

      It's a bit hard to imagine them ever being romantically interested in each other. In fact, I've imagined them having a more brotherly relationship in the past.

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    • It's hard to imagine anyone being romantically interested in William, not just Henry.

      Cutesy seems to refuse the idea that the mother of William's children is dead, so he just sticks with Henry being the man-mother.

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    • Freddy Fanatic wrote: I am a bit curious why you're so deadset about Henry and William being a couple, when they seem to be mortal archenemies in canon.

      It's a bit hard to imagine them ever being romantically interested in each other. In fact, I've imagined them having a more brotherly relationship in the past.

      It's the simplest explanation for Midnight Motorist. That's why. It's also the best explanation for Immortal and the Restless, with William/Vlad getting back together with his off-and-on arsonist lover/rival.

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    • Riiiight.... William and Henry don't even give a rat's ass about each other.

      You want a simple explanation for why William's wife is abscent? She is dead!

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    • Tricakay27 wrote: Riiiight.... William and Henry don't even give a rat's ass about each other.

      You want simple, William's wife is dead.

      I don't doubt it. He had three kids, after all. But what's the explanation for MM then?

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    • Midnight Motorist could be about anything else involving William, just not about William's family drama.

      I'm getting sick of people trying to make everything about William and his messed-up family when it should be about William and his crimes.

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    • CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote:

      But what's the explanation for MM then?

      It's Henry's family drama, not William's :)

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    • MatPat made a video talking about how it was all about the family drama and Scott praised it, calling it "important."

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    • Freddy Fanatic wrote:

      CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote:

      But what's the explanation for MM then?

      It's Henry's family drama, not William's :)

      The purple car? Michael Afton's presence?

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    • CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote:
      MatPat made a video talking about how it was all about the family drama and Scott praised it, calling it "important."

      It was "important" because it also talked about the most heated debates about Miketrap and the bite of 83, which Scott himself said he felt that he had to clear up.

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    • CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote:

      The purple car? Michael Afton's presence?

      Michael is not confirmed to being the guy in the chair, and there are a lot of purple cars in the racing segment of the minigame. Besides, there was a car in FNaF 4 that is shaped the same, but blue instead of purple.

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    • Tricakay27 wrote:

      CutesyWootesyFluffles66 wrote:

      The purple car? Michael Afton's presence?

      Michael is not confirmed to being the guy in the chair, and there are a lot of purple cars in the racing segment of the minigame.

      A guy with a gray shirt and gray text watching TV perfectly ties the Foxy Bro to Eggs Benedict. It's clearing something up that was a point of confusion before.

      The racing segment serms less based in reality, but later on we see no other purple cars in the parking lot of Jr's.

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    • Assuming that the minigame takes place during the bite of 83. Michael would be picking on his little brother instead of watching TV. The older brother might not even be Mike, anyway.

      My point about the cars still stand.

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    • It doesn't, though? What says it does?

      The "leave him alone tonught" might also be a glimpse into the more human side of Michael. He cares for his younger brother, but the joke on Night 5 went too far.

      Edit: By this I mean it doesn't take place during the Bo83 minigames.

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    • Oh, for Pete's sake... -_-

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    • None of the cars in the Jr's parking lot are purple. My point still stands.

      But for this discussion it looks like we'll have to wait for Step Closer to reveal who these "parents" are, and the truth of the relationship between Henry and William.

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    • I'm so going to enjoy this moment! >:)

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    • Tricakay27 wrote: I'm a firm believer that this is another MCI minigame like Fruity Maze.

      Yay, there are people who have the same beliefs with me-

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    • Yay!!! :D

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