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  • For something I'm working on I'd like everyone who can to post when they think Sister Location occured and the evidence why. I'm compiling the evidence for both sides for part of a post I'll be working on. Your cooperation would be appreciated

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    • I personally believe SL occurred in between FNaF 1 and FNaF 3, mainly because I think it makes more logical sense that way, and Mike’s human eyes are shown in the FNaF 1 game over screen, which he definitely didn’t have after his scooping. Of course, Michael never canonically dies in FNaF 1, so the whole human eyes thing might be flimsy.

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    • Character wise it makes sense for FNAF SL to be before FNAF 1 as Mike's motivation to find his father starts after SL. The logbook further implies this to be the case. However on the other end Mike still has human eyeballs in FNAF 1 and Scott's Retcon post on reddit means it can't be a retcon. Sister Location's chronology at the end of the day is deeply tied into how you choose to interpret Michael Afton's story arc.

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    • I belive. Non canon persannaly

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    • City1998 wrote: I belive. Non canon persannaly

      Are you saying SL is non-canon or the game over screen in FNAF 1?

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    • Fanaf 1

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    • Well that's debatable. While it's true that Mike never canonically died in FNAF 1, there's nothing that really says he wasn't human in that game besides the logbook, and that's also pretty debatable too.

      Anyway, I personally believe SL happens between 1 and 3 because it logically makes more sense due to FNAF 1, the fact that a place like CBE&R would take a very long time to build (and I doubt William had everything planned before he murdered anyone. He had to have discovered Remnant somehow) and because Mike taking forever to find his father without any valid reason for his disappearance before 1 or even 2 sounds stupid to me.

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    • Logical.

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    • It depends on whether you're talking about Circus Baby's Pizza World, or the actual FNAF 5.

      Baby/Elizabeth was a character in FNAF 4, which probably happened just before FNAF 1 on the timeline. And Baby appears in the FNAF sequences of FNAF VR, that robot definitely existed by that time.

      However, in Sister Location, Michael visits a old facility that's clearly showing signs of wear. This underground fascility could have been active for decades.

      Also, Michael gets put into Funtime Chica on Night 4, a robot that likely hails from "Chica's Party World", another one of the FNAF 1 location's Alter Egos, that opened before FNAF 3. This was an old location by this time.

      The actual game Sister Location must occur somewhere in the ballpark of FNAF 3. And if Michael had a conversation with William, and his father told him to come here, he must have encountered Springtrap already.

      Sister Location/FNAF 5 has to be after FNAF 3.

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    • Yeah while we're on that topic what exactly happens to Michael after SL if Lamar is the one who takes the hot seat in 6? I mean I'd call it a loose end but then we have UCN and HW continuining on from FFPS as well as the upcoming '58' so maybe not.

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    • Well, Michael/Jeremy is definitely around for the backstory of Help Wanted.

      Henry wanted Michael to take the hot seat in FNAF 6, but settled for Lamar when Michael, the one everyone expected, never showed.

      Either Michael is Scraptrap.. or Michael doesn't show up in FNAF 6 at all.



      .. it's odd that Henry considered the animatronic problem over after trapping Scrap Baby, Molten Freddy, Lefty and Scraptrap in the burning restaurant.

      Even though we know for certain that Our Protagonist in FNAF 6 survived.. somehow.. (horcrux in my opinion) to recieve the corporate congradulations message.

      Although, since he didn't really consider Ballora's bastard son Lamar his stepson, or a member of the family, and Lamar wasn't nearly the level of troublemaker as the other kids, perhaps Henry thought leaving Lamar alive was OK?

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    • Michael obviously isn't Scraptrap because he's listed in the credits as William Afton.

      The dialogue when you die in FFPS also implies you play as Michael Afton. Molten Freddy says "Together Again" on occasion when he kills you. This is of course in reference to FNAF SL when Molten Freddy/Ennard was one with you, Michael Afton. Scrap Baby says "You're not who I expected to see" which could likley refer to how Baby lett Michael as a collapsed skin suit, and thus even if he survived, she wouldn't expect him to willingly crawl back to another Freddy's restaurant. And there are even more pieces of dialogue, all of which at least vaguely point to Michael Afton. Even just going by Occam's Razor, Michael is most likely our FFPS protagonist.

      Also that end credits thing was likely played just for us as players. It doesn't mean the FFPS protagonist survived.

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    • The very idea of Mike actually being Scraptrap just makes me cringe..

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    • It requires a dismissal of the few matters of established canonical fact in FNAF

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    • It requires Scott to go back on his word that Miketrap was actually a misconception, which would, not only upset Willtrappers, but former Miketrappers as well..

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    • It would be a rather large **** you to the community.

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    • I say it's between FNaF 4 and FNaF 2, since otherwise Michael will not have a reason to work in Freddy's,a death place(?), twice.

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    • SinFaz - X wrote:
      I say it's between FNaF 4 and FNaF 2, since otherwise Michael will not have a reason to work in Freddy's,a death place(?), twice.

      That could be true but the place in SL is showing signs of decay so it would not make sense for William to build the place then after like 2 years in begins to break down.

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    • Agent OOF lord wrote:

      SinFaz - X wrote:
      I say it's between FNaF 4 and FNaF 2, since otherwise Michael will not have a reason to work in Freddy's,a death place(?), twice.

      That could be true but the place in SL is showing signs of decay so it would not make sense for William to build the place then after like 2 years in begins to break down.

      It's likely he built the underground facility beforr 1983. Most people place Elizabeth's death before 1983 anyway, and after she died, William moved tech from the location, likely into the preexisting underground facility. So by the time SinFaz is proposing, the restaurant could have been sitting there for half a decade or more (depending on the exact dates). Even FNAF 2's brand new location has weird stains and wires all over the place that could indicate decay.

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    • Yes that is what I am talking about.

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    • The wires are an odd feature though in what is otherwise a very pristine location not to mention they are a recurring element in the first 3 games. 

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    • On another note, part of the reason I feel SL occurs after FNaF 1 is that, in the Logbook, Michael doesn't act like he's post SL. There's no reference to him wanting to find him in the FNaF 1 Pizzeria, and all the stuff he does draw in are too jovial for a bloke who's undead. He talks about wanting to give up chewing gum, taking an early morning jog, or planning to join a self defense class. I can't believe a corpse could join a self defense class (one of the wierdest sentences I've ever typed).

      You may be wonder why Michael has added SL references like Casual Bongos, but this actually makes sense if they were added later. The real world reason they were added were to show that the Michael writing this was the same guy from SL. 

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    • Eh, what have I got to lose?

      So, unpopular opinion, but I believe it's after 2. It's like the only real time we see Freddy's close(yes I know there were other times), and it explains the weirdness concerning the Logbook and the later games. By that I mean Nightmares somewhat resembling SL gang despite the dream taking place during 1(hell, maybe that's the retcon, having Mike become a corpse). As well as that, the Funtimes are described as state of the art, which assuming it takes place before 2 makes calling the Toys advanced and fitted with new stuff a bit odd.

      As well as that, it can work in regards to(another understandably unpopular opinion here) Afton dying before 1, as it means Mike can still not find his dad as he's sealed behind a wall. There's also Music Man, who looks a lot like a Toy animatronic, which suggests he was made around then. And if we really want to stretch it, we could say the name "Mike" on the keypad inspired the allias Mike Schmidt.

      (This is so gonna get torn apart, isn't it?)

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    • I do prefer this over SL occuring between 1983 and FNaF 2. 

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    • Same.

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    • I think one thing we can all agree on is SL is absolutely after 1983 due to the SL Private Room easter eggs. 

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    • Yes

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    • So lets work from there. CBE&R started up after one of the FFPs closed so either: 

      • The closing after the MCI
      • The closing after SAVETHEM 
      • The closing after the Bite of 87 (can conjoin this one with the SAVETHEM one if you want)
      • The closing of the FNAF 1 location
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    • MCI in my opinion.

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    • Okay that's one for the MCI, any particular reason?

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    • If I had to guess, it was due to HandUnit describing the state of Fazbear Entertainment as "a massive success"

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    • Makes sense, their revenue would logically decrease as more and more incidents occured. 

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    • True, I guess.

      I just don't like SL being so early on for some reason. Like, if the closing was recent(which we now know pretty much has to have been in 1983 or 84,) shouldn't Mike still be a grey shirted teen instead of an adult?

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    • Depends on what age Mike was.

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    • Indeed. For all we know he could have been 17 in FNAF 4, which would put him at around 21 by 1987, and he'll be an adult by 1984.

      Telling the exact age from a sprite is open to a alot of interpretation

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    • The sprites of the teenagers with masks are very muscular but quite small so I don't think they're that accurate and 8-bit representation is extremely limited in what it can express. Especially in regards to the age of a character which even without the 8-bit minigames is often a very fickle matter in most fictional stories. 

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    • It probably takes place before FNAF 1 because:


      1. In the SL map, you can see the two dots representing Spring Bonnie and Fredbear (top left), which means that both of them were functioning animatronics when SL was open (if it was after FNAF 1, then these dots wouldn't be there, as Fredbear became Golden Freddy)

      Breaker Room Map


      2. The T.V in Michael's house looks similar to the T.Vs in the 1980s.

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    • I reckon William set up CBPW after FNaF 2, given how advanced the Funtimes are in comparison to the Toys, and the time that's passed between the closure, and the events of SL. 

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    • Reasonable but considering that the Puppet could levitate back before it was even haunted really does ram home the futility of trying to measure the technological advancement of the FNAF universe in relation to our own.

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    • Starscream1998 wrote: Reasonable but considering that the Puppet could levitate back before it was even haunted really does ram home the futility of trying to measure the technological advancement of the FNAF universe in relation to our own.

      Considering that the very notion of fully free roaming aninatronics, Springlocked power armor, and the vast majority of other robotic advancements in FNAF weren't at all feasible in the real world 80s and 90s, I'd agree that measuring relative technogical superiority or inferiority in FNAF is kind of meaningless.

      I mean for reference we're only now just starting to create truly free roaming humaniod robots like we'd see in FNAF during potentially even the 70s.

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    • 223p wrote: I reckon William set up CBPW after FNaF 2, given how advanced the Funtimes are in comparison to the Toys, and the time that's passed between the closure, and the events of SL. 

      A problem I have with that is it seems likely that William probably went underground by the time of FNAF 2 (like how he did in the novels)

      I mean he would have not to long ago just got released after being convicted for the kidnapping or murder of 5 children (the FNAF 1 newspaper says a suspect was convicted) and then had that overturned so he could go free.

      His reputation would be ruined. The novels support this. So it would seem likely that William would go underground to avoid scrutiny from the authorities and to have a brand new reputation. Plus that way he could probably work freely at FFP again (as it is heavily implied that he's the first nightguard who became the dayshift guard while Jeremy was working.

      I'm a bit of a mess right now so sorry if that didn't get phrased the best, but TL;DR is William probably went into hiding and assumed a different identity after the MCI like in the novels.

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    • Nightmarrionette wrote:

      Considering that the very notion of fully free roaming aninatronics, Springlocked power armor, and the vast majority of other robotic advancements in FNAF weren't at all feasible in the real world 80s and 90s, I'd agree that measuring relative technogical superiority or inferiority in FNAF is kind of meaningless.

      I mean for reference we're only now just starting to create truly free roaming humaniod robots like we'd see in FNAF during potentially even the 70s.

      Had William not been an evil sonovagun he and Henry could've very easily have made the FNAF Universe completely Sci-FI i.e. something straight out of the Desolate Hope.

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    • They could have had Halo Powerarmor and Star Wars prosthetics (and knowing William probably Skynet)

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    • Nightmarrionette wrote:

      223p wrote: I reckon William set up CBPW after FNaF 2, given how advanced the Funtimes are in comparison to the Toys, and the time that's passed between the closure, and the events of SL. 

      A problem I have with that is it seems likely that William probably went underground by the time of FNAF 2 (like how he did in the novels)

      I mean he would have not to long ago just got released after being convicted for the kidnapping or murder of 5 children (the FNAF 1 newspaper says a suspect was convicted) and then had that overturned so he could go free.

      His reputation would be ruined. The novels support this. So it would seem likely that William would go underground to avoid scrutiny from the authorities and to have a brand new reputation. Plus that way he could probably work freely at FFP again (as it is heavily implied that he's the first nightguard who became the dayshift guard while Jeremy was working.

      I'm a bit of a mess right now so sorry if that didn't get phrased the best, but TL;DR is William probably went into hiding and assumed a different identity after the MCI like in the novels.

      I always thought that William began the whole Remnant thing after seeing the animatronics were haunted in FNaF 2, after infiltrating the Pizzeria as a guard. 

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    • I thought he could have found about it through his daughter

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    • Given we don't know about William's life prior to meeting Henry and co-founding FFD we can only assume it was the events we do know that caused his obsession with remnant. His daughter's death makes sense depending on how you frame the early timeline and motivation of Afton.

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