Oh yes she will, every one of us comments on how dumb she is daily. In fact two of her more common nicknames for her are “Stupid” and “Dumb Fat Thing”, neither of which will take the place of the ever popular “Fatty”.
I mean I don’t like it that next year we’re playing High Hopes because “why not” (that’s actually what our band director said), but oh well. At least the rendition we’re playing actually sounds better than Brendon’s, so that’s nice I guess.
From what I could tell, yes it was. Too bad the only time I saw it was on a bus on the way back home from DC, where everyone was screaming and I could barely hear anything and know what was going on. I’ve only picked up all this Tamatoa stuff because of the memes, and the movie-reviewer I watch seems to have an attachment towards him, so...
So hey, I was cleaning out my wall last night (removing messages that didn’t need to be there anymore), and do you remember that time we came together with Nam and had that little conversation that was (kind of) about UM and William?
Yeah PinkyPills' William gets a lot of criticism for that too as he looks like an obviously evil guy 24/7. I must admit a good William depiction is one that remembers that the man did actually look like a nice person at one point.
As you can see, I’m really insecure about my story, so I’m actually sorry if my constant asking for your thoughts annoy you.
Anyways, I know you actually seem to like the idea of Lucas being an anti-villain. In fact, with Help Wanted revealing the possibility of digital consciousness transferral, this has actually become Lucas’s goal with the Virtual Domain: while he believes in William’s immortality scheme, he doesn’t exactly view roaming the earth as haunted animatronics as an ideal existence (which makes his view of Charlotte and the MCI victims a bit hypocritical). Lucas created the Virtual Domain to serve as both an “eternal paradise” and a “waiting room” for his family. He already had the Domain scam Elizabeth’s Nurse Baby form and uploaded her spirit to it, and she can switch between living in the Domain and possessing her android vessel at will.
The Domain’s purpose as an “eternal paradise” was that Lucas was planning on uploading William’s, Michael’s, and his own soul into the Domain whenever each of them died so that they could all live together happily in the artificial world he created.
However, as a “waiting room”, the Domain would house the Afton family’s souls until they wanted to enter the real world again. Like how Malhare does it to the player character (and possibly attempts it on Jeremy and Tape Girl) if any of them wanted to go back to the real world, Lucas’s plan would be to basically kidnap someone and have them linked up to the Domain so that one of the Aftons could steal their body for themselves.
Violet’s storyline unfolds because Lucas had finished the Domain and wanted select a test subject for it in order to test out all of its functions, deciding to pick the next night guard at Freddy’s. But he didn’t expect for his selected test subject to be Violet Hartmann, who was the daughter of the woman he despised so much.
Remember how I mentioned Beverly died in the same car crash revealed in Fruity Maze? Well, Mrs. Hartmann was actually at the vet for a check-up on Susie’s dog, which happened to be the same night where Lucas’s sleepwalking tendencies were acting up. Beverly panicked and after calling 911, she drove out to find Lucas. Mrs. Hartmann was on her way back from the vet. Beverly saw Lucas on the sidewalk, and he was approaching a highway. She honked her horn to wake Lucas up. Unable to discern if Lucas was awake or not, and nervous that he might walk into the highway, she sped to get to him, right when Mrs. Hartmann was about to turn. Beverly crashed into Mrs. Hartmann, and while she survived, Beverly and Susie’s dog both died from the accident. Lucas turned around to see his mother, dead on impact.
Lucas had already blamed himself, but Michael’s bullying and William’s emotional manipulation and abuse made it worse to the point where he kept experiencing hallucinations because of it. And while he did blame himself, he also projected his hatred onto Mrs. Hartmann just for being there in a desperate way to blame someone other than himself, even though no one was to blame for the tragedy, though my fear is that it clashes against Lucas’s character as he’s able to forgive Michael for the Bite but unable to acknowledge that Mrs. Hartmann obviously didn’t want to be part of a car accident that would kill his mom. I’m actually afraid that this might kill any sympathy for Lucas, but... remember how I said that he was dabbling in body snatching as a function for the Domain?
“You’re going to die tonight, Mrs. Hartmann. But I won’t be the one to kill you. After having your husband and Susie both taken away from you after you took away my mother, you’ll see Violet come through that hallway. And it won’t matter how much you scream for mercy because she can’t do anything to stop herself from being the one to snuff out your life.”
I haven’t planned everything that will happen in the Domain, but I do have a general idea. I did actually type out some descriptions of the events in the Virtual Domain in my reply, but I’m typing this on mobile and I accidentally went to another page, which erased everything I typed before and I’m kinda upset and too lazy to type it all up again. I might tell you at another time though.
But anyways, Lucas’s end goal is to have Elizabeth body snatch Violet and force her to kill her mom. Can’t tell if that regresses on Lucas’s character, given that he’s able to forgive his brother for nearly killing him... but on the other hand, he views Mrs. Hartmann as the source of all his problems, since Beverly’s death is what essentially kickstarts all of Lucas’s misery.
You've got a good set up for drama there, really play to the tension. As for how it pans out I'll give you Bad and Good Ending ideas.
Bad Ending: Violet kills her mother, Violet in a violent rage regains control of her body and swears vengeance on Lucas. Lucas has a realisation too late in-keeping with his character that Mrs Hartmann's death wasn't what he wanted. Story ends with Lucas realising his error and Violet's descending into madness effectively reversing their roles.
Good Ending: Violet does not kill her mother, story focuses on Lucas learning to accept the past but Elizabeth dislikes the changes in her brother and usurps him as the main antagonist.
Sorry I’m replying late. Was busy getting a gift for my dad.
But anyways, remember how there was a character named Grace? Well, I think I might change her name to Tristitia instead. Tristitia is basically a hallucination born from Lucas’s state of mind after William’s abuse. Her appearance is that of Beverly as an angel. She is the manifestation of Lucas’s self-hatred and guilt as a result of his mother’s death. However, it is important to note that Tristitia is not the real Beverly’s spirit in any way, but rather the distorted image that Lucas has of her, which curses him throughout his life, telling him that he should’ve died instead of her, that she regretted giving birth to him, that he deserved everything that happened to him. It comes to the point where he even believes that Tristitia is what his mother truly feels, and Lucas can’t even hear his real mother’s voice trying to comfort him anymore.
I always planned for Lucas’s character arc to end with him confronting Tristitia. Violet would conquer her guilt and forgive herself for Susie’s death, just like how Lucas needs to overcome Tristitia, the product of William’s emotional manipulation of him.
Y’know, I think I’ve made it clear enough that Lucas truly does care about Michael and Elizabeth; in fact, he even admits at one point that they’re the only reason why he even tries to stay alive.
But at the same time I kind of want to explore the idea that Lucas might also envy them both to a degree. In the sense that Michael was old enough to move out and leave William behind while Lucas was stuck with him, and that Elizabeth received their father’s love while he had to deal with his hatred. Though I don’t exactly know how Michael and Elizabeth would react to that.
Michael probably having mellowed out would be understanding and want the best for Lucas. Elizabeth depending on where she is in her story would either be confused or not bothered due to her identity disassociation or if she's in her fanatical serial killer phase would be a mixuture of emotionally vulnerable hidden underneath sadistic indifference.
Throughout DoTM, Elizabeth does struggle with her identity dissociation, but it’s not enough to actually make her willing to cross Lucas or Michael. In fact, knowing that Lucas is dead and that she couldn’t prevent it contributes to her insanity later on in the timeline.
I feel like Elizabeth would be a bit heartbroken to learn that, but also a little angry since while it’s true that Lucas did suffer, she also suffered underground as Baby.
Another reason why she might react negatively is because it distorts the image of her father in her mind; she wants to believe that William was a good father and that all of his horrific actions were made out of good intention. Lucas is aware on some level that any notion of their father having good intentions is bull, but still follows along with it regardless because William still successfully made him believe that there is good potential that could come out as a result of his immortality scheme, not to mention being fueled by seeking forgiveness for what happened to his mother. Elizabeth actively believes her own lies and is unwilling to even accept the idea that her father didn’t truly care about her, and even Lucas himself is afraid to challenge her on that. Every time there’s more and more proof that William is just downright evil, Elizabeth tries to justify or even deny it.
I’m not quite sure. The way I think about it, Elizabeth would go through a breakdown because she doesn’t want to accept that her father isn’t the person that she wanted to look up to.
She knows deep down that her dad is evil. And there eventually does come a point where she accepts that William is evil, but doesn’t care; that’s what her character in FFPS is. First, she put up barriers to protect her image of William as a person. Then, when that barrier was destroyed, she was corrupted to the point where she resorted to not caring about it as long as her father truly cared about her. But when that illusion is shattered... then she’d break down, but not in a flying rage... she’d just cry like Lucas did.
Do you think Lucas is distinguished enough as an antagonist to set him apart from William and Elizabeth? That’s one of my fears, that he’s just a villain that mixes traits from the other two, or that he’s “extra” as a villain.
He's definitely different from William, he actually seems less of an extra AF villain like William and more grounded. He's also not as downright vile as William showcasing a very clear internal conflict and struggle.
It’s actually quite unfortunate. Had Violet been anyone other than Amanda Hartmann’s daughter (that’s a previous name I had for Violet so I thought it would be put to good use for her mom), Lucas wouldn’t have even terrorized her at all in the Domain and just send her back after the experiment, no strings attached. But sadly, she doesn’t receive that mercy.
Be honest, what do you think of Lucas being the “genius” out of the three Afton kids? Academically, he is smarter than Michael and Elizabeth (although to be fair, she never really got to grow up like her brothers did).
Plus, he’s a total geek, even it’s less obvious in the Virtual Domain storyline.
I think it makes sense, William was clearly looking for a successor as Michael despite not being as smart as him is an adept technician and even Baby was able to pull herself together. All the Afton kids probably possess a decent amount of tech know-how because William would not tolerate otherwise. But Lucas is probably the only child of his that potentially surpassess William.
I’m also planning on using DoTM to explain some things in the canon storyline:
SAVETHEM: It turns out that Lucas assisted William in preventing the children from escaping; William lured them into the FNaF 2 pizzeria’s safe room during the restaurant’s late hours, and locked them inside until it was closing time. Then, after disabling the security cameras, he went inside the safe room and locked the door again, but one of the kids managed to grab the key from William and unlocked it, resulting in them all sprinting towards the exit. Lucas ordered all of the Twisteds to stand outside the door, and to kill the kids if they step outside. The kids choose not to go outside and try to hide within the various rooms, hoping that William gives up. William kills them all and leaves, allowing Lucas to use the corpses for the Twisteds.
Claus/Shadow Freddy is also kind of a Spanner in the Works for Lucas and Elizabeth; because the Domain is programmed to recognize Lucas’s soul as the administrator, Claus has those same abilities, and Lucas can’t revoke them from him without removing himself as administrator. Basically, while Violet and Susie are being tested, Lucas and Elizabeth are also dealing with Claus messing up their project at the same time. Claus is actually the reason why Elizabeth can’t perform a digital consciousness transferral with Violet immediately, forcing her and Lucas into a constant battle against Claus over control of the Domain. At first, Claus’s interference flies under their radar, but then they notice some restrictions in their abilities, which is how they become aware of the situation.
Is this considered plot-induced stupidity on Lucas’s part, or is it reasonable that he and Elizabeth can’t fully prevent Claus from interfering?
One thing about Claus is that he almost never interacts with Lucas and Elizabeth using his Shadow Freddy form, only appearing to them as an identical clone of Lucas with some differences in appearance, such as a lack of bandages, or a neater hairstyle in contrast to Lucas’s unkempt hair, and wearing a brown hoodie instead of Lucas’s grey and black shirt with white sleeves.
This actually works to his advantage, since he actually manifests as Shadow Freddy in the Domain, and since Lucas and Elizabeth have never seen Shadow Freddy before, they don’t realize that Claus has betrayed them. In other words, Claus uses Shadow Freddy as a disguise when he doesn’t want others to be able to identify him. However, given that Shadow Freddy has the same abilities that Lucas has in the Domain, should Lucas be able to deduce that Claus is the intruder (given that Lucas knows Cassidy is Golden Freddy), or is his obliviousness to Claus’s involvement believable?
Furthermore, a possible solution for Lucas would be to list Elizabeth as administrator instead of himself, but he never does this for two reasons; he doesn’t suspect Claus, so he doesn’t think it’ll fix anything, and he doesn’t trust anyone other than himself to have control over the Domain, not even Elizabeth.
It's less that he's a 'dummy' and more so just literally and figuratively out of touch with himself. He's become someone pre-bite Lucas would've been absolutely horrified and disgusted by and Claus could reflect that nicely.
You know, at one point Lucas does actually make an android vessel for Elizabeth... and Michael knows about this at some point in the story (I haven’t decided whether Lucas actually introduces android Elizabeth to Michael, or if Michael only knows about her after finding out about Lucas’s fate at the end). Does this make SL’s events pointless since Michael could’ve either attempted to make another android body for Elizabeth, or have William make another one for her? What about Elizabeth’s scooping plan? Couldn’t she have been like “you know, Lucas made a vessel for me once, why don’t you come back after you make me another one?” It’s a hell of a lot better than scooping Michael’s organs out.
That does create a plot hole, you may need to come up with an explanation as to why that couldn't happen e.g. Baby's memory was faulty and forgot about being an android, Wiliam didn't care enough to make her another one etc,
Elizabeth could be handwaved, since her android vessel’s memory was never connected to Baby, and her spirit intertwining with Baby’s AI might have caused her to forget everything that happened during DoTM.
Maybe Lucas was the only one with knowledge to make the androids, and the only blueprints were destroyed during his death? I mean, William stole Charlie’s adult form in the novels and gave her a clown form, but he merely redesigned her. Michael’s out of the loop when it comes to Lucas’s experiments, but he and William got to see Elizabeth again in that form.
When he began his scientific pursuits, Lucas tried to make himself as indispensable of an asset as possible to William in case he ever wanted to dispose of him. Lucas was fine with being William’s pawn, but he didn’t want to be expendable. So Michael and his father might not be able to replicate Lucas’s work. However, it’d still be valuable to try instead of just going down there for Michael. I can’t say that William prepared another android body, because then Michael could easily just get some spare parts and be out of there.
Or should I just have Lucas conceal android Elizabeth from Michael, with the reason being that he doesn’t want his brother to know about what he’s been doing. But would Elizabeth comply in that case?
Funnily enough, Lucas actually designed Elizabeth’s vessel in a way that it would look like her if she was in her late teens. But then Elizabeth gave herself a makeover to look like Baby because of dissociation, so Lucas just said “fuck it” and settled with giving her a holographic disguise.
His interactions with his siblings are the main humanizing aspects of his character.
But there’s also this little gem that I thought up:
“You know something, Susie? It’s bad enough that your mother killed my mother, but then you, holding that stupid cupcake with eyes, with that stupid bib and that stupid beak... you and your peers try to kill my brother too. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a total idiot for coming back there several times, and I’m an even bigger idiot for continuing to care about him after my brain became Fredbear’s supper ten years ago. But he kept coming back for you. Michael wanted to find some way to free all of you from your robotic prisons. And you all respond by trying to claim his life... ingrates.”
Poor Susie, it's not her fault she and the others were basically reduced to mindless animals whilst trapped in the form of the animatronics. Of course Lucas probably has no idea about that as the only animatronics he likely hangs out with are those who have retained more of their human mind.
“I’m sorry that your mom died. I really am. But my sister was killed, and my dad went to prison because of five murders he didn’t commit. You’re not the only one who’s suffered, Lucas. We’ve both lost people that we loved. And getting revenge on my mom isn’t going to bring yours back.”
Yeah it's most certainly a redesign, as for in-universe explanations it either further degraded or Afton in between 3 and 6 visited the shut down Fredbear's and began repairing his suit with other versions of the Spring Bonnie costume. Maybe it's a combination of both and interestingly the cover for one of the new books shows a Spring Bonnie mask that matches Scraptrap's mask.
His corpse is now mostly skeletal and mummified that can be seen with part of his muscle layers visible through the skull, as well as five bony fingers as his right hand. No visible eyes can be seen in the eye-sockets themselves for the skull, instead having metallic-grey "eyes" (used to help the wearer see) punched in both of the eye-sockets. Fleshy veins and muscle can be seen dangling out of various limbs and inside the torso of the reanimated killer.
Strangely, unlike his previous incarnation, Afton's feet now have fabric over them, with three large, round toes each. The mask looks different as well, now sporting a black nose, larger eye-sockets, a pair of buck teeth from the upper additional muzzle, and a frenzy of needle-like teeth for the bottom jaw. Upon observing carefully, Afton's skull oddly has human ears and lips with ridged teeth, supposedly looking like a dry mummy head.
I honestly wouldn't mind so much if Scott had just implemented the design changes onto the actual Springtrap model. Keep the overall shape and appearance but remove an arm, make him more decayed and withered etc.
It's pretty clear Scraptrap is a redesign, yet there are some factors that should be taken into account.
For one, the feet. Due to their appearance, along with how they're undamaged, I feel pretty confident in saying this is the result of Afton finding some spare parts to repair his costume, that would undoubtedly be damaged after the fire. As well as this, there's the overall look of the suit. I'm certain most of it is the original costume, yet the proportions are rather off. The best explanation I have at the time for that aside from ill fitting parts or redesigning is that a loss of structual integrity of the costume has caused it to cave inwards around Afton's corpse, creating Scraptrap's starved and disturbingly human appearance.
Long story short, after the fire Afton repaired his suit, which decayed even more.
Apparently Afton's technical skills went to **** after 30 years of being cooped up in a room. Plus some of Springtrap's fingers are crooked or outright missing their ends so holding tools is probably fun.
One of my favorite lines from my Spanish teacher had to be when we were going over hot and cold stuff. She’d show us something on the screen and then we’d have to say if it was hot or cold (in Spanish, of course). And in one of the pictures, it was a shot of the arctic, and there was this baby harp seal laying in the foreground. After we answered, she said, in her heavy Spanish accent, this:
“Look at the seal, it’s so cute! But then it grows up, and it becomes all ugly!”
To this day, we still repeat that line. It just sounded hilarious to us.
I say they’re still cute, yeah, though they certainly to those poofy lil’ pups. I think it’s just the way she said it too that has us repeating it, but yeah the adult seals are still cute, at least to an extent.
Y’know, all this had me remembering, but before I started writing that “Wonderful Time” Christmas story, I was originally just going to take Chance Meeting but make it all Christmas-y, and it would be snowing and all that.
In my own canon HW wouldn't even be a thing but if it wouldn't work as there's no remnant in my version and my version of Afton likely wouldn't have the motivation to continue doing evil deeds after 6.