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<div class="quote"><i>Monokuma450 wrote:
Save Them is real. It happened. The reason why it has no jumpscare is because there is no one focused there. Give Gifts had a Golden Freddy jumpscare to signal that the last kid was stuffed in him. Foxy Minigame had a Foxy jumpscare to signify that something happened to Foxy. Take Cake had The Puppet jumpscare to say that the child murdered is The Puppet. Without those jumpscares, we would still be debating on who the kid is, and where was the last child stuffed into. <p>And yes, the children are murdered. There is blood on the floor. I don't think robots can simply hallucinate blood. </p><p>The Puppet asks you to "Save Them", but Purple Guy replies "You Can't". Freddy can't save them. The Puppet can't save them. </p><p>As we know, Phone Guy's calls are prerecorded. How do we say this? </p><p>1. Phone Guy mentions that a suit was used. A yellow one. And this is what also happened to the first murder. Purple Guy used a yellow suit. It's worthless to add that speech without having it as an important event. So there is a murder. But at the end of Night 6, you receive a newspapers telling that the company will be shut down due to the animatronics having 'possible malfunctions', probably hinting The Bite. </p><p>If a simple incident like that without any deaths can cause the place to shut down, I bet, a murder of 5 children can more cause the place to shut down. And yes, they did. </p><p>2. The newspapers tell us that the place was open for a "few short weeks". They started in summer, how could "few short weeks" refer to summer - November? They opened the second restaurant, closed because of the murder, and re-opened once again. </p><p>3. Here is a quote from Phone Guy: "<i>Uh, we don't have a replacement for your shift yet, but we're working on it." </i>He says that he's working on it. He's one of the employees who find the night guards. He's the one hiring them. Now, NONE of Phone Guy's calls in FNaF 1, 2, and 3 mention the character's name, Despite him the one hiring, he still doesn't call you by name, because they're all prerecorded. </p><p>4. Phone Guy's calls in FNaF 1 and 3 are prerecorded, so, it's not far to say that his messages in FNaF 2 are prerecorded too. </p><p>And, the Save Them happened when the pizzeria was still open for the first time. You're currently working on the very same pizzeria, only that it was opened the second time. The place was closed for an investigation, at least for a while. It didn't close for a year or for long months. Only for a while, like few days or some weeks. </p> </i></div>
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The can hallucinate an entire series of abstract hell puzzles in FNAF 3, but they can't hallucinate some blood in FNAF 2? </p><p>And really, what happened to Foxy? We got his jumpscare, because he's the central character there and he's finlled with rage over what happend more than anything. (The reason he isn't afraid of the mask.) </p><p>Didn't SOMETHING happen to Freddy in SAVE THEM? Why wouldn't he jumpscare us no matter the ending? </p><p>And what really is the purpose of following the Puppet? Hm? No real objective is accomplished by reaching Prize Corner. Simply, the nightmare ends. </p><p>
</p><p>1) Yes, it would signify something, but don't presume automatically that it has to be a murder. It could just as well signify that the animatronics snap due to someone using the suit. Also, consider what else happens in 1987. Due to enraged animatronics. B-... Bi-... Yes the Bite! Someone uses the Golden Suit, the animatronics are enraged, become hostile towards everybody causing people to abandon the restoraunt and then finally someone's bitten and the place has to close down. I never said the place didn't have a reason to close down, I just thought I wouldn't have to explain every single detail and the dots would be plenty obvious to connect. </p><p>How does this point confirm in any way that the phone calls are recordings? </p><p>2) "You're only the second guy working at that location." is what we're told at the start. The place we work at then, closes in "a few short weeks". Also, way to ignore my entire point about how the call can be live, but the speech could be read from an older, formal introductory paper. Which would explain the very formal tone of the first few sentences, which also reference Summer, and why then Phone guy changes tone a bit (putting down the form) and starts talking more improvisationally, in a semi-casual manner. </p><p>3) So basically if say there is a fire in your office, and your manager comes around and says "We found your work computer's harddrive. We couldn't recover the data yet, but we're working on it." that means to you that your manager himself is personally doing hardware restoration work? </p><p>It's a figure of speech. "We're working on it" = "It's being handled by someone in the company/group. (Who probably has nothing to do with me, else I'd have said "I'm working on it." like I should if that's what I meant.)" </p><p>4) You do realize he's alive in FNAF 2, while he's dead in FNAF 1 and 3 right? Like there would have been literally no way to have non-pre-recorded messages given to the player from him in those two games, while he was completely available in FNAF 2. </p><p>Also, this is COMPLETELY ignoring every single reason why it can't possibly be pre-recorded, including the weirdly specific and current messages. </p><p>I don't care how many way you'll cut how certain parts of the idea that they are pre-recorded could maybe somehow make sense, the core of the issue remains: He talks to YOU specifically. he talks about YOUR promotion. He talks about YOUR surprising and completely unexpected presence on Night 6. He gives YOU orders to stay for the day shift. </p><p>He isnt talking to "Random Employee #427" he's talking to Jeremy specifically. </p><p>Literally the only thing missing here, is that Phone Guy doesn't outright call him Jeremy, but that wouldn't prove it any further. Infact based off of these reactions, I wouldn't be surprised if you tried to explain that Jeremy was a popular name back then in certain states, so surely it's a completely coincidence that Jeremy has the same name as someone who worked there before, and that THAT is how Scott wanted to tell the story. </p>
Save Them is real. It happened. The reason why it has no jumpscare is because there is no one focused there. Give Gifts had a Golden Freddy jumpscare to signal that the last kid was stuffed in him. Foxy Minigame had a Foxy jumpscare to signify that something happened to Foxy. Take Cake had The Puppet jumpscare to say that the child murdered is The Puppet. Without those jumpscares, we would still be debating on who the kid is, and where was the last child stuffed into. <p>And yes, the children are murdered. There is blood on the floor. I don't think robots can simply hallucinate blood. </p><p>The Puppet asks you to "Save Them", but Purple Guy replies "You Can't". Freddy can't save them. The Puppet can't save them. </p><p>As we know, Phone Guy's calls are prerecorded. How do we say this? </p><p>1. Phone Guy mentions that a suit was used. A yellow one. And this is what also happened to the first murder. Purple Guy used a yellow suit. It's worthless to add that speech without having it as an important event. So there is a murder. But at the end of Night 6, you receive a newspapers telling that the company will be shut down due to the animatronics having 'possible malfunctions', probably hinting The Bite. </p><p>If a simple incident like that without any deaths can cause the place to shut down, I bet, a murder of 5 children can more cause the place to shut down. And yes, they did. </p><p>2. The newspapers tell us that the place was open for a "few short weeks". They started in summer, how could "few short weeks" refer to summer - November? They opened the second restaurant, closed because of the murder, and re-opened once again. </p><p>3. Here is a quote from Phone Guy: "<i>Uh, we don't have a replacement for your shift yet, but we're working on it." </i>He says that he's working on it. He's one of the employees who find the night guards. He's the one hiring them. Now, NONE of Phone Guy's calls in FNaF 1, 2, and 3 mention the character's name, Despite him the one hiring, he still doesn't call you by name, because they're all prerecorded. </p><p>4. Phone Guy's calls in FNaF 1 and 3 are prerecorded, so, it's not far to say that his messages in FNaF 2 are prerecorded too. </p><p>And, the Save Them happened when the pizzeria was still open for the first time. You're currently working on the very same pizzeria, only that it was opened the second time. The place was closed for an investigation, at least for a while. It didn't close for a year or for long months. Only for a while, like few days or some weeks. </p> </i></div>
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The can hallucinate an entire series of abstract hell puzzles in FNAF 3, but they can't hallucinate some blood in FNAF 2? </p><p>And really, what happened to Foxy? We got his jumpscare, because he's the central character there and he's finlled with rage over what happend more than anything. (The reason he isn't afraid of the mask.) </p><p>Didn't SOMETHING happen to Freddy in SAVE THEM? Why wouldn't he jumpscare us no matter the ending? </p><p>And what really is the purpose of following the Puppet? Hm? No real objective is accomplished by reaching Prize Corner. Simply, the nightmare ends. </p><p>
</p><p>1) Yes, it would signify something, but don't presume automatically that it has to be a murder. It could just as well signify that the animatronics snap due to someone using the suit. Also, consider what else happens in 1987. Due to enraged animatronics. B-... Bi-... Yes the Bite! Someone uses the Golden Suit, the animatronics are enraged, become hostile towards everybody causing people to abandon the restoraunt and then finally someone's bitten and the place has to close down. I never said the place didn't have a reason to close down, I just thought I wouldn't have to explain every single detail and the dots would be plenty obvious to connect. </p><p>How does this point confirm in any way that the phone calls are recordings? </p><p>2) "You're only the second guy working at that location." is what we're told at the start. The place we work at then, closes in "a few short weeks". Also, way to ignore my entire point about how the call can be live, but the speech could be read from an older, formal introductory paper. Which would explain the very formal tone of the first few sentences, which also reference Summer, and why then Phone guy changes tone a bit (putting down the form) and starts talking more improvisationally, in a semi-casual manner. </p><p>3) So basically if say there is a fire in your office, and your manager comes around and says "We found your work computer's harddrive. We couldn't recover the data yet, but we're working on it." that means to you that your manager himself is personally doing hardware restoration work? </p><p>It's a figure of speech. "We're working on it" = "It's being handled by someone in the company/group. (Who probably has nothing to do with me, else I'd have said "I'm working on it." like I should if that's what I meant.)" </p><p>4) You do realize he's alive in FNAF 2, while he's dead in FNAF 1 and 3 right? Like there would have been literally no way to have non-pre-recorded messages given to the player from him in those two games, while he was completely available in FNAF 2. </p><p>Also, this is COMPLETELY ignoring every single reason why it can't possibly be pre-recorded, including the weirdly specific and current messages. </p><p>I don't care how many way you'll cut how certain parts of the idea that they are pre-recorded could maybe somehow make sense, the core of the issue remains: He talks to YOU specifically. he talks about YOUR promotion. He talks about YOUR surprising and completely unexpected presence on Night 6. He gives YOU orders to stay for the day shift. </p><p>He isnt talking to "Random Employee #427" he's talking to Jeremy specifically. </p><p>Literally the only thing missing here, is that Phone Guy doesn't outright call him Jeremy, but that wouldn't prove it any further. Infact based off of these reactions, I wouldn't be surprised if you tried to explain that Jeremy was a popular name back then in certain states, so surely it's a completely coincidence that Jeremy has the same name as someone who worked there before, and that THAT is how Scott wanted to tell the story. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Omartheramo wrote:
<div class="quote">BNTHAATPT (Abbreviation) wrote:
<div class="quote">Toreadorfreddy wrote:
I'll now counter your counter. Most likely the night six phone call was an actual call from the Phone guy. The part about the Golden suit? Most likely more of Phone guy's random off-topic rambling. The part about the investigation? Most likely into potential tampering due to the animatronic's weird behaviour.</i></div>
But if the Night 6 Call is the only odd one out, then why does it reference the same job opportunity mentioned on previous nights? And why do the previous nights also reference current events just as much? <p>You can't have it both way. Phone Guy's calls can't be pre-recored and curent too, because if he was still around, they would have had him record some actual, decent, to the point instructions like his instructions in FNAF 3 regarding the suits. </p><p>Unless, they didn't want to go with recordings. </p> </div>You may believe what you want, but the fact if the matter is that you still fail to 100% disprove the second missing children incident (but you came decently close, so i'll give you that). </div> <p>
Well, I'm pretty sure I could only 100% Disprove it, if in FNAF 4 you played as Phone Guy, and instead of the calls, he'd basically be recording his on going Journal of the weird happenings at FFP, and he explicitly stated that he saw some weird 8-bit nightmared about dead children in the FNAF 2 location, despite there never having been a missing children incident in that location. </p><p>Decently close is all I need :) </p>
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<div class="quote">Toreadorfreddy wrote:
I'll now counter your counter. Most likely the night six phone call was an actual call from the Phone guy. The part about the Golden suit? Most likely more of Phone guy's random off-topic rambling. The part about the investigation? Most likely into potential tampering due to the animatronic's weird behaviour.</i></div>
But if the Night 6 Call is the only odd one out, then why does it reference the same job opportunity mentioned on previous nights? And why do the previous nights also reference current events just as much? <p>You can't have it both way. Phone Guy's calls can't be pre-recored and curent too, because if he was still around, they would have had him record some actual, decent, to the point instructions like his instructions in FNAF 3 regarding the suits. </p><p>Unless, they didn't want to go with recordings. </p> </div>You may believe what you want, but the fact if the matter is that you still fail to 100% disprove the second missing children incident (but you came decently close, so i'll give you that). </div> <p>
Well, I'm pretty sure I could only 100% Disprove it, if in FNAF 4 you played as Phone Guy, and instead of the calls, he'd basically be recording his on going Journal of the weird happenings at FFP, and he explicitly stated that he saw some weird 8-bit nightmared about dead children in the FNAF 2 location, despite there never having been a missing children incident in that location. </p><p>Decently close is all I need :) </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Toreadorfreddy wrote:
I'll now counter your counter. Most likely the night six phone call was an actual call from the Phone guy. The part about the Golden suit? Most likely more of Phone guy's random off-topic rambling. The part about the investigation? Most likely into potential tampering due to the animatronic's weird behaviour.</i></div>
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But if the Night 6 Call is the only odd one out, then why does it reference the same job opportunity mentioned on previous nights? And why do the previous nights also reference current events just as much? </p><p>You can't have it both way. Phone Guy's calls can't be pre-recored and curent too, because if he was still around, they would have had him record some actual, decent, to the point instructions like his instructions in FNAF 3 regarding the suits. </p><p>Unless, they didn't want to go with recordings. </p>
I'll now counter your counter. Most likely the night six phone call was an actual call from the Phone guy. The part about the Golden suit? Most likely more of Phone guy's random off-topic rambling. The part about the investigation? Most likely into potential tampering due to the animatronic's weird behaviour.</i></div>
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But if the Night 6 Call is the only odd one out, then why does it reference the same job opportunity mentioned on previous nights? And why do the previous nights also reference current events just as much? </p><p>You can't have it both way. Phone Guy's calls can't be pre-recored and curent too, because if he was still around, they would have had him record some actual, decent, to the point instructions like his instructions in FNAF 3 regarding the suits. </p><p>Unless, they didn't want to go with recordings. </p>
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I have a counter theory for this. What if the SAVE THEM minigame is a memory, belonging to either Freddy or the Marionette, of a second missing children incident. The news paper clipping at the beginning of FNAF 2 says "Grand Reopening". This would indicate that the location in question had closed temporarily, then reopened for buisness. The calls made for you from Phone guy were probably pre-recorded, similar to the messages from FNAF 1. Thus this incident would have taken place during the first time the location was opened. The reason there is no jumpscare at the end is because the memory refers to several animatronics at once, so there was no single jumpscare that could be put in. The souls of this set of kids probably ended up in the toys if Marionette acted the same as he did for the first set. </p> </i></div>
<p>Many people seem to really believe that the Phone Calls have to be pre-recorded, because of the "Summer Job" comment, but at the same time I really can't get behind that.
</p><p>Thre really are two explnations: </p><p>1) Phone Guy was reading the start of an older introductory speech off of a form. The same kind of form that would end with stuff like "Remember ot Smile, you're the face of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza" and then kind of just stopped doing it, to get some more current info out, like the mask and the lack of doors, etc. </p><p>2) Phone Guy WAS recorded and then replayed much later, but then the issue is that why would the company replay this particular set of calls to later employees? Phone Guy talks about way too specific stuff that wouldn't be of any relevance to any later guards, like how the guard is "only the second guard at that location" and how they will be getting moved to day shift, and that the animatronics started acting weird. Not to mention the fact that, the shut down of the company in the recording perfectly lines up with the company getting shut down in the newspaper Jeremy has the same day as he has his check given out. </p><p>
</p><p>I think that just by Ockham's Razor, it is far more likely that the 1) possiblity is the true one. As 2) would imply that the company recorded these very specific calls for some reason, made a concious decision to replay this for the future guards, and that the place would conciniently close down just as the current guard got to the recording about the place closing down. </p><p>(Not to mention, what use would the Night 6 call be to absolutely any other guard than the one who Phone guy originall called?) </p>
I have a counter theory for this. What if the SAVE THEM minigame is a memory, belonging to either Freddy or the Marionette, of a second missing children incident. The news paper clipping at the beginning of FNAF 2 says "Grand Reopening". This would indicate that the location in question had closed temporarily, then reopened for buisness. The calls made for you from Phone guy were probably pre-recorded, similar to the messages from FNAF 1. Thus this incident would have taken place during the first time the location was opened. The reason there is no jumpscare at the end is because the memory refers to several animatronics at once, so there was no single jumpscare that could be put in. The souls of this set of kids probably ended up in the toys if Marionette acted the same as he did for the first set. </p> </i></div>
<p>Many people seem to really believe that the Phone Calls have to be pre-recorded, because of the "Summer Job" comment, but at the same time I really can't get behind that.
</p><p>Thre really are two explnations: </p><p>1) Phone Guy was reading the start of an older introductory speech off of a form. The same kind of form that would end with stuff like "Remember ot Smile, you're the face of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza" and then kind of just stopped doing it, to get some more current info out, like the mask and the lack of doors, etc. </p><p>2) Phone Guy WAS recorded and then replayed much later, but then the issue is that why would the company replay this particular set of calls to later employees? Phone Guy talks about way too specific stuff that wouldn't be of any relevance to any later guards, like how the guard is "only the second guard at that location" and how they will be getting moved to day shift, and that the animatronics started acting weird. Not to mention the fact that, the shut down of the company in the recording perfectly lines up with the company getting shut down in the newspaper Jeremy has the same day as he has his check given out. </p><p>
</p><p>I think that just by Ockham's Razor, it is far more likely that the 1) possiblity is the true one. As 2) would imply that the company recorded these very specific calls for some reason, made a concious decision to replay this for the future guards, and that the place would conciniently close down just as the current guard got to the recording about the place closing down. </p><p>(Not to mention, what use would the Night 6 call be to absolutely any other guard than the one who Phone guy originall called?) </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Are You Freddy For Ready wrote:
Which confirms FNaF2 to be a prequel.</i></div>
<p>Aye, that's what I was trying to say.
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Which confirms FNaF2 to be a prequel.</i></div>
<p>Aye, that's what I was trying to say.
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<div class="quote"><i>Numb3r5 d00d x5 wrote:
ever notice this? phone guy fnaf 1: "they used to be able to walk around during the day to. and then the bite of '87" phone guy fnaf 2: "we EVEN let them walk around during the day. isnt that neat?" why would he say isnt that neat. and walk around during the day too. would it be surprising if the bite hasnt already taken place?</i></div>
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Maybe, but I1m pretty sure Phone Guy wouldn't consider it "Neat" that the animatronics that almost killed him are now free to roam around, if infact FNAF 2 is a sequel. </p><p>Also, assuming for a moment that the FNAF 1 check is just an old one, let's say Night 1 of the FNAF 1 game is January 2nd, 1987. Bite of 87 happend on January 1st. There are 7 nights in total, meaning that the earliest point in time when the FNAF 1 pizzaria closed down, would have had to have been January 8th, 1987. </p><p>This leaves for the company less than 10 months to go from completely bankrupt to having a renewed shining company image, with new animatronics, bells and whistles, everything, in order to have FNAF 2 take place in November 1987. </p><p>I bet BP would have bought that PR campaign for a dollar! (Obscure Robocop refernces for the win!) </p><p>
</p><p>Also just to point out: Checks don't work like that either. They wouldn't date a check back in november last year, to fill it out some in the future, so FNAF 1 had to have taken place in November too, which again, puts it AFTER 1987, as it couldn't possibly happen at the exact same time as FNAF 2, since we're talking about two extremely seperate companies, as far as popularity is concerned. </p>
ever notice this? phone guy fnaf 1: "they used to be able to walk around during the day to. and then the bite of '87" phone guy fnaf 2: "we EVEN let them walk around during the day. isnt that neat?" why would he say isnt that neat. and walk around during the day too. would it be surprising if the bite hasnt already taken place?</i></div>
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Maybe, but I1m pretty sure Phone Guy wouldn't consider it "Neat" that the animatronics that almost killed him are now free to roam around, if infact FNAF 2 is a sequel. </p><p>Also, assuming for a moment that the FNAF 1 check is just an old one, let's say Night 1 of the FNAF 1 game is January 2nd, 1987. Bite of 87 happend on January 1st. There are 7 nights in total, meaning that the earliest point in time when the FNAF 1 pizzaria closed down, would have had to have been January 8th, 1987. </p><p>This leaves for the company less than 10 months to go from completely bankrupt to having a renewed shining company image, with new animatronics, bells and whistles, everything, in order to have FNAF 2 take place in November 1987. </p><p>I bet BP would have bought that PR campaign for a dollar! (Obscure Robocop refernces for the win!) </p><p>
</p><p>Also just to point out: Checks don't work like that either. They wouldn't date a check back in november last year, to fill it out some in the future, so FNAF 1 had to have taken place in November too, which again, puts it AFTER 1987, as it couldn't possibly happen at the exact same time as FNAF 2, since we're talking about two extremely seperate companies, as far as popularity is concerned. </p>
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<p>It is a Pyramid AND a Triangle
</p><p>Triangle + Eye for the reasons OP described.
</p><p>Pyramid for the 4 base anymotronics, plus Golden Freddy above all as the top of the pyramid.
</p><p>But Golden Freddy has to be put in the Triangle+Eye equation too, no?
</p><p>Simple enough! Freddy is the Eye of the Triangle. He is what we see. But he has another side, Golden Freddy, who fulfills the same purpose. Who see everything. Knows everything. Who watches you, always. Who can find you at any time. Who is the true master of your destiny.
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</p><p>And behind it all, the grand architect, always there, always thinking, knowing all the answeres: </p> <figure class="article-thumb tright show-info-icon" style="width: 500px">
<figcaption> <p class="caption">Who is the real Puppet?</p> </figcaption></figure>
</p><p>And behind it all, the grand architect, always there, always thinking, knowing all the answeres: </p> <figure class="article-thumb tright show-info-icon" style="width: 500px">
<figcaption> <p class="caption">Who is the real Puppet?</p> </figcaption></figure>
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<p>Here's the thing, if someone proves something couldn't have happened (such as my deconstruction of the time periods, and how in none of them SAVE THEM could have happened during Jeremy's week), just the fact that something /suggests/ it happened, won't undo the proof.
</p><p>The thing is, Phone Guy NEVER mentions the 5 Missing Children. He mentions SOMETHING doing wrong. Something tragic circling as rumour (since when, we don't know, could have been a long time). And the animatronics starting to act weird around adults after someone "used one of the suits" the spare yellow one in the back.
</p><p>The funny part of that being, we never actually get any conifrmation this has anything to do with five missing children, or even a single one. Someone simply used one of the suits. Did Purple Guy use one of the suits? He isn't seen using it in SAVE THEM, infact, Golden Freddy appears active at this time, since he sometimes appears, sometimes he doesn't, so it would have been especially difficult to use him.
</p><p>And when did someone use that suit, in a way that everybody knew that someone did? If this happened during the night, then we would have again, seen it, but we didn't. So whoever used that Golden Suit, did so during the day, meaning once again, that it wasn't to kill the children, because you can't just kill five diferent kids in five different locations in broad daylight, in a clumsy yellow animatronic suit, and get away with it.
</p><p>So here's the questions, who used that suit and for what? Think about it, why do they even have that Golden Freddy Suit? It's limp, so apparently the animatronic parts of this particular Spring-Lock suit have been taken out. Plus, they keep hauling it around, despite not putting it on full display. What could this mean? The most likely answer is rather simple: They ARE using the Golden Freddy suit. Sometimes. Someone put it on to entertain kids, since there are four party rooms, but only 3 animatronics (The Puppet, Mangle and BB don't really count in this sense, because they all have their special little location they are tied to by theme.) Why not put on that extra one in the back when they have a full house?
</p><p>Except of course, unknown to them, they each were haunted. And the very last time these spirits saw someone wear one of the suits around children, those children were them. And they died. And they can't very well just have that, can they?
</p><p>There above is another explanation as to the thing Phone Guy mentions. In fact, if we go by the idea that all info given by Phone Guy in FNAF 2 is current (which it has to be, since there are way too specific things mentioned that wouldn't make sense to be re-played to later guards), as mentioned above, the yellow suit's use couldn't have been any different, since, again, we know that whoever used it, didn't do so during the night. Because we are there during the night, and we would have seen them use it. AND in SAVE THEM the Purple Guy quite obviously isn't using Golden Freddy.
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</p><p>Also, remember how I said that IF SAVE THEM even happened? What proof do we really have of it having happened? </p><p>That the animatronics show you it happened? Good point. But again, you have to play it into the timeline somehow. </p><p>It couldn't have happened after FNAF 2, because the animatronics "Remember it" during FNAF 2. </p><p>It couldn't have been during FNAF 2, because then the animatronics still can remember it on days it hasn't happened yet. </p><p>But of course, at the same time, it also couldn't have happened before FNAF 2. Why? Think about it: The animatronics don't start acting weird, until Night 4, when we hear that the toy animatronics started acting weirder than usual, and then on Night 6 is when someone "uses one of the yellow suits" and suddenly all of them are acting weird. </p><p>While there was something that mildtly irked the animatronics before Night 4, but the height of their hostility in response to it was shooting off glares at random adults. And only before Night 6, do they actualy start to ALL act weird. Meaning that the use of the Golden Freddy suit (which again, had to have happened during day-time as we would have seen it otherwise, and thus had to have been to entertain kids), was enough to send the animatronics into a rage. Even without any murders, they became completely uncontrollable, and this came as a surprise to the company and Phone Guy. </p><p>Now think about it, if five kids DID get murdered on the week before Jeremy's shift, then wouldn't the animatronics have acted even worse already by Night 1? Leading up to Night 4, they were already growing agitated, but frankly it was that single use of the suit that ticked them off, without anyone dying then. So imagine their wrath if kids actually were dead before. </p><p>Of course that raises the question: If it couldn't have been before, after, or during FNAF 2, then when did the SAVE THEM minigame happen? </p><p>My answer is going off course here, but it simply is: It didn't. </p><p>Think of all the things wrong with that minigame: </p>
</p><p>And that is exactly what I'm proposing SAVE THEM is. </p><p>It isn't a memory. It is a nightmare. It is the Animatronics' nightmare. The eternal torment of the spirits haunting the place. </p><p>They don't care who the night guard is, to them, every night guard is the enemy. They aim to kill each and every one of them. But why? Look at SAVE THEM again. What is that guy wearing? A badge. And there is no other night guard on duty, so it HAS TO BE the night guard. But not one particular night guard. ANY night guard. </p><p>They cannot differnetiate between them. To them, every single night guard is evil. Every one of them has to die. </p><p>Each, and every single one of the night guards is the Purple Guy in the animatronics' mind. And the Purple Guy is a killer. The Purple Guy will kill again. He's right there. Each and every single night. Sitting behind that desk. Taunting them. Watching them from the cameras. Flashing lights at them. Putting on a mask, just as he did before, terrifying them (with the occaisonal exception, like Foxy). You can fool Freddy himself, by pretending to be Freddy, despite that there are no spare freddy animatronics anywhere in the FNAF 2 location. Obviously they don't leave you alone because they think you're one of them. Freddy at least would have to know you're not. But they still back off. They still leave you be. Because the last time someone looked at them from behind such a mask, it was their end. </p><p>The Puppet doesn't care either, if you think about it. And why would he? He wasn't killed using a suit. To him, the mask is not scary. </p><p>SAVE THEM to put simply, is the reason the Animatronics come after YOU. It shows that in their mind, you ARE the Purple Guy, even if you're not in reality. For them, the Purple Guy is immortal. He keeps coming back no matter what happens. Despite their best efforts. Because the Purple Guy wears many faces. </p><p>He wears the face of the "Pink Man", he wears the face of Phone Guy, he wears the face of Mike, Jeremy, Fritz. The only constant, is the death he leaves in his wake. </p><p>The animatronics need him to die. And that is exactly what happens in SAVE THEM. </p><p>Freddy comes across the Purple Man, the Night Guard and the game ends. </p><p>Did the Purple Guy destroy Freddy? </p><p>Did Freddy kill the Purple Guy? </p><p>It doesn't matter. No matter what, "You can't save them". Even though the Purple Guy is dead, </p><p><i>He will come back.</i> </p><p><i>He always does.</i> </p><p>
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</p><p>That is my theory. </p>
</p><p>Also, remember how I said that IF SAVE THEM even happened? What proof do we really have of it having happened? </p><p>That the animatronics show you it happened? Good point. But again, you have to play it into the timeline somehow. </p><p>It couldn't have happened after FNAF 2, because the animatronics "Remember it" during FNAF 2. </p><p>It couldn't have been during FNAF 2, because then the animatronics still can remember it on days it hasn't happened yet. </p><p>But of course, at the same time, it also couldn't have happened before FNAF 2. Why? Think about it: The animatronics don't start acting weird, until Night 4, when we hear that the toy animatronics started acting weirder than usual, and then on Night 6 is when someone "uses one of the yellow suits" and suddenly all of them are acting weird. </p><p>While there was something that mildtly irked the animatronics before Night 4, but the height of their hostility in response to it was shooting off glares at random adults. And only before Night 6, do they actualy start to ALL act weird. Meaning that the use of the Golden Freddy suit (which again, had to have happened during day-time as we would have seen it otherwise, and thus had to have been to entertain kids), was enough to send the animatronics into a rage. Even without any murders, they became completely uncontrollable, and this came as a surprise to the company and Phone Guy. </p><p>Now think about it, if five kids DID get murdered on the week before Jeremy's shift, then wouldn't the animatronics have acted even worse already by Night 1? Leading up to Night 4, they were already growing agitated, but frankly it was that single use of the suit that ticked them off, without anyone dying then. So imagine their wrath if kids actually were dead before. </p><p>Of course that raises the question: If it couldn't have been before, after, or during FNAF 2, then when did the SAVE THEM minigame happen? </p><p>My answer is going off course here, but it simply is: It didn't. </p><p>Think of all the things wrong with that minigame: </p>
- No Jumpscare at the end, while each of the other minigames end with a jumpscare from one of the dead spirits, whose death was involved in that memory. Puppet for the Puppet's death. Foxy for GO GO GO and Golden Freddy for Give Life. But no jumpscare for the SAVE THEM minigame. No spirit seeking vengence at the end of that game. Perhaps because there is no spirit that died yet in the events of SAVE THEM?
- Purple Guy just leaves the kids out in the open, unlike his murder in GO GO GO where he had them all nice and packed together in front of Pirate's Cove. Why would he change his attentiveness to the corpses?
- None of the Animatronics aside from the Puppet, Freddy (and possibly Golden Freddy) are active during all of this. Wouldn't the animatronics be interested in what's going on?
- Purple Guy takes on Freddy face to face, while he had to use the safe room glitch to take the animatronics down one by one in FNAF 3's minigames. What makes him confident enough to take him on face to face, while any of the other animatronics may just come to Freddy's rescue while he's doing his thing?
- There is no goal or score to show your progress in the memory like in every other game. You're not working towards the completion of a tangible objective, you're just wandering about the FNAF 2 location, seeing all the horrors and possibly following the Puppet out of this nightmare.
</p><p>And that is exactly what I'm proposing SAVE THEM is. </p><p>It isn't a memory. It is a nightmare. It is the Animatronics' nightmare. The eternal torment of the spirits haunting the place. </p><p>They don't care who the night guard is, to them, every night guard is the enemy. They aim to kill each and every one of them. But why? Look at SAVE THEM again. What is that guy wearing? A badge. And there is no other night guard on duty, so it HAS TO BE the night guard. But not one particular night guard. ANY night guard. </p><p>They cannot differnetiate between them. To them, every single night guard is evil. Every one of them has to die. </p><p>Each, and every single one of the night guards is the Purple Guy in the animatronics' mind. And the Purple Guy is a killer. The Purple Guy will kill again. He's right there. Each and every single night. Sitting behind that desk. Taunting them. Watching them from the cameras. Flashing lights at them. Putting on a mask, just as he did before, terrifying them (with the occaisonal exception, like Foxy). You can fool Freddy himself, by pretending to be Freddy, despite that there are no spare freddy animatronics anywhere in the FNAF 2 location. Obviously they don't leave you alone because they think you're one of them. Freddy at least would have to know you're not. But they still back off. They still leave you be. Because the last time someone looked at them from behind such a mask, it was their end. </p><p>The Puppet doesn't care either, if you think about it. And why would he? He wasn't killed using a suit. To him, the mask is not scary. </p><p>SAVE THEM to put simply, is the reason the Animatronics come after YOU. It shows that in their mind, you ARE the Purple Guy, even if you're not in reality. For them, the Purple Guy is immortal. He keeps coming back no matter what happens. Despite their best efforts. Because the Purple Guy wears many faces. </p><p>He wears the face of the "Pink Man", he wears the face of Phone Guy, he wears the face of Mike, Jeremy, Fritz. The only constant, is the death he leaves in his wake. </p><p>The animatronics need him to die. And that is exactly what happens in SAVE THEM. </p><p>Freddy comes across the Purple Man, the Night Guard and the game ends. </p><p>Did the Purple Guy destroy Freddy? </p><p>Did Freddy kill the Purple Guy? </p><p>It doesn't matter. No matter what, "You can't save them". Even though the Purple Guy is dead, </p><p><i>He will come back.</i> </p><p><i>He always does.</i> </p><p>
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</p><p>That is my theory. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Omartheramo wrote:
<div class="quote">BNTHAATPT (Abbreviation) wrote:
<div class="quote">Omartheramo wrote:
<div class="quote">BNTHAATPT (Abbreviation) wrote:
a) Sorry, it's just that when half your theory depends on assumtions, it comes off a bit eh. Especially if then you go out and say "IT'S CORRECT! DEAL WITH IT!" to someone else. <p>b) IF your a) assumption is correct, then I suppose it's possible, but that's a pretty big if. </p><p>c) While it's possible, the main issue is still the fact in this chronology that Purple Guy someone then manages to break that wall down, come back in, get the animatronic disassebled, dies, and then without questions asked the company just seals it up. Two of which events (the breaking down of the wall, as there is no rubble, and the re-sealing as there is no mention of it) is completely guess work. </p><p>d) </p><p>1) You still haven't answered why the animatronics themselves were rebuilt during this time. </p><p>2) Why do you think Jeremy even took the Night Guard job if not to disassemble the suits? What, to kill those five kids in SAVE THEM? That clearly hasn't happened during his shift (if infact it happened at all), as we're with him throughout his entire employment at Fazbear Entertainment, at least as long as he's the Night Guard. There is no other Night Guard present in SAVE THEM so the Purple Guy in that, has to be the current Night Guard. From this, we know that if it's Jeremy, he had to have done it while he was the Night Guard, as in during FNAF 2. But we also know that he wasn't off murderng children, because again, we were right there. Not a single nigh were there dead children scattered around, or blood marks or anything of the sort. And how could there be? We literally start the game when Jeremy takes the post from the day/evening shift guy, and we stay with him until he hands it over to the day/morning shift people. There is no possible time at which he could have commited those murders. </p> </i></div>
a) Ok first of all, that whole DEAL WITH IT thing was a joke :) and maybe before you say that my theory is based entirely on assumptiopns (I admit that a part of it is) you should read the full thing, in order to better understand where I am coming from (Go to my profile and click on the tab that says multiple killers if you want to read it) <p>b) True </p><p>c) No, the wall was broken down by the FFP crew when they started re-develloping. And when they found Purple Man inside of Springtrap, they just sealed it and put a fake wall over it. </p><p>d) </p><p>1) The animatronics were rebuilt in between the time that the wall was sealed, and the opening of FNaF1 (after they had finished renovating). That is not a stretch at all to say that. </p><p>2) NO! He took the job to kill the kids! There is a time where he could have commited those murders. Remember that the Night Shift starts at 12:00 so if it closed any time before that, even a couple of minutes before, then he would have easily had tie to kill them. And remember, you are trying to debunk this using my theory and timeline, and in my thoery, the man you see in the SAVE THEM isn't the murderer. He's Phone Guy covering up the evidence (This probably happened early in the morning). </p><p>Any more counters? (and please actually read my theory before-hand) </p> </div>
c) Hold on... If the room was sealed in response to the murdered children, and Purple Guy THEN got in there and got killed, and THEN the FFP people had to break the wall down... Then that would mean that <p>Wall is down -> Children get killed and Phone Guy makes Night 4 call -> Wall is put up -> Purple Guy arrives to disassemble the animatronics -> Breaks wall down (no evicedence of this) -> Purple Guy dies -> Wall somehow rematerializes (no evidence of this) -> FFP people arive to renovate -> Wall is broken down again (no evidence of this -> FFP see Springtrap and go "NOPE" -> Wall is put up again (no evidence) -> Fazbear Fright people get an insider tip -> Wall is broken down for a third time, leading to Springtrap being taken to the FNAF 3 attraction. </p><p>d) </p><p>a) They very obviously hadn't finished renovating. The place is crawling with rodents, doors are boarded up with planks, rain is dripping in through the roof. It is not renovated. </p><p>b) Um, no. That is not how Night Shifts work in any reality in any place. The entire point of having security guards, is to keeep the building secure. If the Night Guard's shift beings at Midnight, you can bet your bottom dollar that there is someone else there, the previous guard, up until Midnight when you're left alone. And when the shift ends at 6 Am, there is someone else who is switching places with you. That is how guard duty works. </p><p>Really, how do you suppose someone murders 5 children, and cleans it up within minutes? We know SAVE THEM couldn't have happened in the morning due to the simple fact that every single animatronic is in their starting positions. It's the beginning of the night, meaning that Jeremy would have not only have had to kill those kids without the previous guard noticing (who isn't even in the building, again, it's still the previous guard's shift if it's before Midnight), but also clean up the blood, that while you're playing as Jeremy, you can't see the results of the murders on the camera. </p><p>
</p><p>EDIT: I'll have to give a better read to that theory, but frankly I've got work to do very soon, and from this, no matter what extra help Purple Guy may or may not have had, it just doesn't seem like there is any way it could fit together. I'll probably read it later and correct anything if it makes sense in context, but... From the game's context, it doesn't seem so. </p> </div>I'm back! Here are my responses... <p>c) I don't think you are understanding me, it goes like this... Wall is down -> Children get killed and Phone Guy makes Night 6 call -> Wall is put up -> Fazbear Entertainment breaks down wall when they start rebuilding -> Purple Guy dies -> FFP people arive to renovate, see Springtrap and go "NOPE" -> Wall is put up again -> Fazbear Fright people get an insider tip -> Wall is broken down fleading to Springtrap being taken to the FNAF 3 attraction. </p><p>There! Get it now? </p><p>d) </p><p>1) They hadn't finished renovating, yes, they had probably barely started. But typically, renovations start on the outside. There was probably months in between when the room was sealed and the opening of FNaF1... plenty of time for FFP to rebuild the dismantled animatronics. </p><p>2) HA! You've literally just disproved your old counter-argument, and proven mine with this claim! Assuming that the Night Shift starts right when the place closes, there could be NO OTHER TIME except for the Night Shift where the Purple Man could have killed the kids. There are obviously other people around during the day. And we know that this Purple Man didn't lure the children into a room like Pink Man did, since we see the pools of blood right in the middle of the pizzeria. Someone would have noticed, which means that the only time the murders could have possibly happened were during the Night Shift! Another point towards Jeremy being Purple Man! </p><p>Anything else to add? </p> </div> <p>
Um, actually no on d) 2) I don't think you understand my reasoning: </p><p>We never see any sign during Jeremy's shift, therefore it didn't happen during his shift. </p><p>It couldn't have happened just before or just after Jeremy's shifts, because then there would have been other people around. </p><p>As a result of those two, it couldn't have been any time during Jeremy's employment as a Night Guard, because it's not on the nights when he's working there. </p><p>There's also no guard on duty aside from the Purple Guy in SAVE THEM so if SAVE THEM even happened, then that means that it had to have happened at a different time, before Jeremy. </p><p>Further proof: You can see SAVE THEM on any given day. This means, that Jeremy couldn't have even possibly commited the murders anywhere after the very begininning of the First Night, if this was a memory, as else it would be a time paradox, where the animatronics have memories of events that haven't occured yet. And of course it could not be before the First Night, because Jeremy wasn't working there before then. </p>
<div class="quote">BNTHAATPT (Abbreviation) wrote:
<div class="quote">Omartheramo wrote:
<div class="quote">BNTHAATPT (Abbreviation) wrote:
a) Sorry, it's just that when half your theory depends on assumtions, it comes off a bit eh. Especially if then you go out and say "IT'S CORRECT! DEAL WITH IT!" to someone else. <p>b) IF your a) assumption is correct, then I suppose it's possible, but that's a pretty big if. </p><p>c) While it's possible, the main issue is still the fact in this chronology that Purple Guy someone then manages to break that wall down, come back in, get the animatronic disassebled, dies, and then without questions asked the company just seals it up. Two of which events (the breaking down of the wall, as there is no rubble, and the re-sealing as there is no mention of it) is completely guess work. </p><p>d) </p><p>1) You still haven't answered why the animatronics themselves were rebuilt during this time. </p><p>2) Why do you think Jeremy even took the Night Guard job if not to disassemble the suits? What, to kill those five kids in SAVE THEM? That clearly hasn't happened during his shift (if infact it happened at all), as we're with him throughout his entire employment at Fazbear Entertainment, at least as long as he's the Night Guard. There is no other Night Guard present in SAVE THEM so the Purple Guy in that, has to be the current Night Guard. From this, we know that if it's Jeremy, he had to have done it while he was the Night Guard, as in during FNAF 2. But we also know that he wasn't off murderng children, because again, we were right there. Not a single nigh were there dead children scattered around, or blood marks or anything of the sort. And how could there be? We literally start the game when Jeremy takes the post from the day/evening shift guy, and we stay with him until he hands it over to the day/morning shift people. There is no possible time at which he could have commited those murders. </p> </i></div>
a) Ok first of all, that whole DEAL WITH IT thing was a joke :) and maybe before you say that my theory is based entirely on assumptiopns (I admit that a part of it is) you should read the full thing, in order to better understand where I am coming from (Go to my profile and click on the tab that says multiple killers if you want to read it) <p>b) True </p><p>c) No, the wall was broken down by the FFP crew when they started re-develloping. And when they found Purple Man inside of Springtrap, they just sealed it and put a fake wall over it. </p><p>d) </p><p>1) The animatronics were rebuilt in between the time that the wall was sealed, and the opening of FNaF1 (after they had finished renovating). That is not a stretch at all to say that. </p><p>2) NO! He took the job to kill the kids! There is a time where he could have commited those murders. Remember that the Night Shift starts at 12:00 so if it closed any time before that, even a couple of minutes before, then he would have easily had tie to kill them. And remember, you are trying to debunk this using my theory and timeline, and in my thoery, the man you see in the SAVE THEM isn't the murderer. He's Phone Guy covering up the evidence (This probably happened early in the morning). </p><p>Any more counters? (and please actually read my theory before-hand) </p> </div>
c) Hold on... If the room was sealed in response to the murdered children, and Purple Guy THEN got in there and got killed, and THEN the FFP people had to break the wall down... Then that would mean that <p>Wall is down -> Children get killed and Phone Guy makes Night 4 call -> Wall is put up -> Purple Guy arrives to disassemble the animatronics -> Breaks wall down (no evicedence of this) -> Purple Guy dies -> Wall somehow rematerializes (no evidence of this) -> FFP people arive to renovate -> Wall is broken down again (no evidence of this -> FFP see Springtrap and go "NOPE" -> Wall is put up again (no evidence) -> Fazbear Fright people get an insider tip -> Wall is broken down for a third time, leading to Springtrap being taken to the FNAF 3 attraction. </p><p>d) </p><p>a) They very obviously hadn't finished renovating. The place is crawling with rodents, doors are boarded up with planks, rain is dripping in through the roof. It is not renovated. </p><p>b) Um, no. That is not how Night Shifts work in any reality in any place. The entire point of having security guards, is to keeep the building secure. If the Night Guard's shift beings at Midnight, you can bet your bottom dollar that there is someone else there, the previous guard, up until Midnight when you're left alone. And when the shift ends at 6 Am, there is someone else who is switching places with you. That is how guard duty works. </p><p>Really, how do you suppose someone murders 5 children, and cleans it up within minutes? We know SAVE THEM couldn't have happened in the morning due to the simple fact that every single animatronic is in their starting positions. It's the beginning of the night, meaning that Jeremy would have not only have had to kill those kids without the previous guard noticing (who isn't even in the building, again, it's still the previous guard's shift if it's before Midnight), but also clean up the blood, that while you're playing as Jeremy, you can't see the results of the murders on the camera. </p><p>
</p><p>EDIT: I'll have to give a better read to that theory, but frankly I've got work to do very soon, and from this, no matter what extra help Purple Guy may or may not have had, it just doesn't seem like there is any way it could fit together. I'll probably read it later and correct anything if it makes sense in context, but... From the game's context, it doesn't seem so. </p> </div>I'm back! Here are my responses... <p>c) I don't think you are understanding me, it goes like this... Wall is down -> Children get killed and Phone Guy makes Night 6 call -> Wall is put up -> Fazbear Entertainment breaks down wall when they start rebuilding -> Purple Guy dies -> FFP people arive to renovate, see Springtrap and go "NOPE" -> Wall is put up again -> Fazbear Fright people get an insider tip -> Wall is broken down fleading to Springtrap being taken to the FNAF 3 attraction. </p><p>There! Get it now? </p><p>d) </p><p>1) They hadn't finished renovating, yes, they had probably barely started. But typically, renovations start on the outside. There was probably months in between when the room was sealed and the opening of FNaF1... plenty of time for FFP to rebuild the dismantled animatronics. </p><p>2) HA! You've literally just disproved your old counter-argument, and proven mine with this claim! Assuming that the Night Shift starts right when the place closes, there could be NO OTHER TIME except for the Night Shift where the Purple Man could have killed the kids. There are obviously other people around during the day. And we know that this Purple Man didn't lure the children into a room like Pink Man did, since we see the pools of blood right in the middle of the pizzeria. Someone would have noticed, which means that the only time the murders could have possibly happened were during the Night Shift! Another point towards Jeremy being Purple Man! </p><p>Anything else to add? </p> </div> <p>
Um, actually no on d) 2) I don't think you understand my reasoning: </p><p>We never see any sign during Jeremy's shift, therefore it didn't happen during his shift. </p><p>It couldn't have happened just before or just after Jeremy's shifts, because then there would have been other people around. </p><p>As a result of those two, it couldn't have been any time during Jeremy's employment as a Night Guard, because it's not on the nights when he's working there. </p><p>There's also no guard on duty aside from the Purple Guy in SAVE THEM so if SAVE THEM even happened, then that means that it had to have happened at a different time, before Jeremy. </p><p>Further proof: You can see SAVE THEM on any given day. This means, that Jeremy couldn't have even possibly commited the murders anywhere after the very begininning of the First Night, if this was a memory, as else it would be a time paradox, where the animatronics have memories of events that haven't occured yet. And of course it could not be before the First Night, because Jeremy wasn't working there before then. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Omartheramo wrote:
<div class="quote">BNTHAATPT (Abbreviation) wrote:
a) Sorry, it's just that when half your theory depends on assumtions, it comes off a bit eh. Especially if then you go out and say "IT'S CORRECT! DEAL WITH IT!" to someone else. <p>b) IF your a) assumption is correct, then I suppose it's possible, but that's a pretty big if. </p><p>c) While it's possible, the main issue is still the fact in this chronology that Purple Guy someone then manages to break that wall down, come back in, get the animatronic disassebled, dies, and then without questions asked the company just seals it up. Two of which events (the breaking down of the wall, as there is no rubble, and the re-sealing as there is no mention of it) is completely guess work. </p><p>d) </p><p>1) You still haven't answered why the animatronics themselves were rebuilt during this time. </p><p>2) Why do you think Jeremy even took the Night Guard job if not to disassemble the suits? What, to kill those five kids in SAVE THEM? That clearly hasn't happened during his shift (if infact it happened at all), as we're with him throughout his entire employment at Fazbear Entertainment, at least as long as he's the Night Guard. There is no other Night Guard present in SAVE THEM so the Purple Guy in that, has to be the current Night Guard. From this, we know that if it's Jeremy, he had to have done it while he was the Night Guard, as in during FNAF 2. But we also know that he wasn't off murderng children, because again, we were right there. Not a single nigh were there dead children scattered around, or blood marks or anything of the sort. And how could there be? We literally start the game when Jeremy takes the post from the day/evening shift guy, and we stay with him until he hands it over to the day/morning shift people. There is no possible time at which he could have commited those murders. </p> </i></div>
a) Ok first of all, that whole DEAL WITH IT thing was a joke :) and maybe before you say that my theory is based entirely on assumptiopns (I admit that a part of it is) you should read the full thing, in order to better understand where I am coming from (Go to my profile and click on the tab that says multiple killers if you want to read it) <p>b) True </p><p>c) No, the wall was broken down by the FFP crew when they started re-develloping. And when they found Purple Man inside of Springtrap, they just sealed it and put a fake wall over it. </p><p>d) </p><p>1) The animatronics were rebuilt in between the time that the wall was sealed, and the opening of FNaF1 (after they had finished renovating). That is not a stretch at all to say that. </p><p>2) NO! He took the job to kill the kids! There is a time where he could have commited those murders. Remember that the Night Shift starts at 12:00 so if it closed any time before that, even a couple of minutes before, then he would have easily had tie to kill them. And remember, you are trying to debunk this using my theory and timeline, and in my thoery, the man you see in the SAVE THEM isn't the murderer. He's Phone Guy covering up the evidence (This probably happened early in the morning). </p><p>Any more counters? (and please actually read my theory before-hand) </p> </div> <p>
c) Hold on... If the room was sealed in response to the murdered children, and Purple Guy THEN got in there and got killed, and THEN the FFP people had to break the wall down... Then that would mean that </p><p>Wall is down -> Children get killed and Phone Guy makes Night 4 call -> Wall is put up -> Purple Guy arrives to disassemble the animatronics -> Breaks wall down (no evicedence of this) -> Purple Guy dies -> Wall somehow rematerializes (no evidence of this) -> FFP people arive to renovate -> Wall is broken down again (no evidence of this -> FFP see Springtrap and go "NOPE" -> Wall is put up again (no evidence) -> Fazbear Fright people get an insider tip -> Wall is broken down for a third time, leading to Springtrap being taken to the FNAF 3 attraction. </p><p>d) </p><p>a) They very obviously hadn't finished renovating. The place is crawling with rodents, doors are boarded up with planks, rain is dripping in through the roof. It is not renovated. </p><p>b) Um, no. That is not how Night Shifts work in any reality in any place. The entire point of having security guards, is to keeep the building secure. If the Night Guard's shift beings at Midnight, you can bet your bottom dollar that there is someone else there, the previous guard, up until Midnight when you're left alone. And when the shift ends at 6 Am, there is someone else who is switching places with you. That is how guard duty works. </p><p>Really, how do you suppose someone murders 5 children, and cleans it up within minutes? We know SAVE THEM couldn't have happened in the morning due to the simple fact that every single animatronic is in their starting positions. It's the beginning of the night, meaning that Jeremy would have not only have had to kill those kids without the previous guard noticing (who isn't even in the building, again, it's still the previous guard's shift if it's before Midnight), but also clean up the blood, that while you're playing as Jeremy, you can't see the results of the murders on the camera. </p><p>
</p><p>EDIT: I'll have to give a better read to that theory, but frankly I've got work to do very soon, and from this, no matter what extra help Purple Guy may or may not have had, it just doesn't seem like there is any way it could fit together. I'll probably read it later and correct anything if it makes sense in context, but... From the game's context, it doesn't seem so. </p>
<div class="quote">BNTHAATPT (Abbreviation) wrote:
a) Sorry, it's just that when half your theory depends on assumtions, it comes off a bit eh. Especially if then you go out and say "IT'S CORRECT! DEAL WITH IT!" to someone else. <p>b) IF your a) assumption is correct, then I suppose it's possible, but that's a pretty big if. </p><p>c) While it's possible, the main issue is still the fact in this chronology that Purple Guy someone then manages to break that wall down, come back in, get the animatronic disassebled, dies, and then without questions asked the company just seals it up. Two of which events (the breaking down of the wall, as there is no rubble, and the re-sealing as there is no mention of it) is completely guess work. </p><p>d) </p><p>1) You still haven't answered why the animatronics themselves were rebuilt during this time. </p><p>2) Why do you think Jeremy even took the Night Guard job if not to disassemble the suits? What, to kill those five kids in SAVE THEM? That clearly hasn't happened during his shift (if infact it happened at all), as we're with him throughout his entire employment at Fazbear Entertainment, at least as long as he's the Night Guard. There is no other Night Guard present in SAVE THEM so the Purple Guy in that, has to be the current Night Guard. From this, we know that if it's Jeremy, he had to have done it while he was the Night Guard, as in during FNAF 2. But we also know that he wasn't off murderng children, because again, we were right there. Not a single nigh were there dead children scattered around, or blood marks or anything of the sort. And how could there be? We literally start the game when Jeremy takes the post from the day/evening shift guy, and we stay with him until he hands it over to the day/morning shift people. There is no possible time at which he could have commited those murders. </p> </i></div>
a) Ok first of all, that whole DEAL WITH IT thing was a joke :) and maybe before you say that my theory is based entirely on assumptiopns (I admit that a part of it is) you should read the full thing, in order to better understand where I am coming from (Go to my profile and click on the tab that says multiple killers if you want to read it) <p>b) True </p><p>c) No, the wall was broken down by the FFP crew when they started re-develloping. And when they found Purple Man inside of Springtrap, they just sealed it and put a fake wall over it. </p><p>d) </p><p>1) The animatronics were rebuilt in between the time that the wall was sealed, and the opening of FNaF1 (after they had finished renovating). That is not a stretch at all to say that. </p><p>2) NO! He took the job to kill the kids! There is a time where he could have commited those murders. Remember that the Night Shift starts at 12:00 so if it closed any time before that, even a couple of minutes before, then he would have easily had tie to kill them. And remember, you are trying to debunk this using my theory and timeline, and in my thoery, the man you see in the SAVE THEM isn't the murderer. He's Phone Guy covering up the evidence (This probably happened early in the morning). </p><p>Any more counters? (and please actually read my theory before-hand) </p> </div> <p>
c) Hold on... If the room was sealed in response to the murdered children, and Purple Guy THEN got in there and got killed, and THEN the FFP people had to break the wall down... Then that would mean that </p><p>Wall is down -> Children get killed and Phone Guy makes Night 4 call -> Wall is put up -> Purple Guy arrives to disassemble the animatronics -> Breaks wall down (no evicedence of this) -> Purple Guy dies -> Wall somehow rematerializes (no evidence of this) -> FFP people arive to renovate -> Wall is broken down again (no evidence of this -> FFP see Springtrap and go "NOPE" -> Wall is put up again (no evidence) -> Fazbear Fright people get an insider tip -> Wall is broken down for a third time, leading to Springtrap being taken to the FNAF 3 attraction. </p><p>d) </p><p>a) They very obviously hadn't finished renovating. The place is crawling with rodents, doors are boarded up with planks, rain is dripping in through the roof. It is not renovated. </p><p>b) Um, no. That is not how Night Shifts work in any reality in any place. The entire point of having security guards, is to keeep the building secure. If the Night Guard's shift beings at Midnight, you can bet your bottom dollar that there is someone else there, the previous guard, up until Midnight when you're left alone. And when the shift ends at 6 Am, there is someone else who is switching places with you. That is how guard duty works. </p><p>Really, how do you suppose someone murders 5 children, and cleans it up within minutes? We know SAVE THEM couldn't have happened in the morning due to the simple fact that every single animatronic is in their starting positions. It's the beginning of the night, meaning that Jeremy would have not only have had to kill those kids without the previous guard noticing (who isn't even in the building, again, it's still the previous guard's shift if it's before Midnight), but also clean up the blood, that while you're playing as Jeremy, you can't see the results of the murders on the camera. </p><p>
</p><p>EDIT: I'll have to give a better read to that theory, but frankly I've got work to do very soon, and from this, no matter what extra help Purple Guy may or may not have had, it just doesn't seem like there is any way it could fit together. I'll probably read it later and correct anything if it makes sense in context, but... From the game's context, it doesn't seem so. </p>
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<p>a) Sorry, it's just that when half your theory depends on assumtions, it comes off a bit eh. Especially if then you go out and say "IT'S CORRECT! DEAL WITH IT!" to someone else.
</p><p>b) IF your a) assumption is correct, then I suppose it's possible, but that's a pretty big if.
</p><p>c) While it's possible, the main issue is still the fact in this chronology that Purple Guy someone then manages to break that wall down, come back in, get the animatronic disassebled, dies, and then without questions asked the company just seals it up. Two of which events (the breaking down of the wall, as there is no rubble, and the re-sealing as there is no mention of it) is completely guess work.
</p><p>d)
</p><p>1) You still haven't answered why the animatronics themselves were rebuilt during this time.
</p><p>2) Why do you think Jeremy even took the Night Guard job if not to disassemble the suits? What, to kill those five kids in SAVE THEM? That clearly hasn't happened during his shift (if infact it happened at all), as we're with him throughout his entire employment at Fazbear Entertainment, at least as long as he's the Night Guard. There is no other Night Guard present in SAVE THEM so the Purple Guy in that, has to be the current Night Guard. From this, we know that if it's Jeremy, he had to have done it while he was the Night Guard, as in during FNAF 2. But we also know that he wasn't off murderng children, because again, we were right there. Not a single nigh were there dead children scattered around, or blood marks or anything of the sort. And how could there be? We literally start the game when Jeremy takes the post from the day/evening shift guy, and we stay with him until he hands it over to the day/morning shift people. There is no possible time at which he could have commited those murders.
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<div class="quote"><i>Sloppinjoe wrote:
Jeremy isn't me, the Purple Guy. Jeremy got my job when I became Spring Trap. What you don't know is Jeremy is the Pink guy. After night 7, the following week, during the day shift he put on Spring Fred's suit and got stuck inside it, like me.</i></div>
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Hey there Mr. Purple Guy! </p><p>Please! Come with me! </p><p>And you'll be! </p><p>In a world of Pure Imagination! </p><p>Click this link, </p><p>and you'll see </p><p>A place for your recreation! </p><p>http://freddy-fazbears-pizza.wikia.com/wiki/Board:Roleplaying </p><p>(Seriously, this is a bit distracting.) </p>
Jeremy isn't me, the Purple Guy. Jeremy got my job when I became Spring Trap. What you don't know is Jeremy is the Pink guy. After night 7, the following week, during the day shift he put on Spring Fred's suit and got stuck inside it, like me.</i></div>
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Hey there Mr. Purple Guy! </p><p>Please! Come with me! </p><p>And you'll be! </p><p>In a world of Pure Imagination! </p><p>Click this link, </p><p>and you'll see </p><p>A place for your recreation! </p><p>http://freddy-fazbears-pizza.wikia.com/wiki/Board:Roleplaying </p><p>(Seriously, this is a bit distracting.) </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Omartheramo wrote:
<div class="quote">BNTHAATPT (Abbreviation) wrote:
<div class="quote">Omartheramo wrote:
<div class="quote">Kilravok wrote:
If the room was reopened for FNAF1, then they would have found Springtrap already back then, but we know, the room was not opened and Springtrap was not found until FNAF3...unless you have evidence that FNAF3 happens between 2 and 1....</i></div>
It doesn't. But when Jeremy sneaks in and is killed (keep in mind this takes place a coule of days before they are set to open), instead of delaying the opening, they just hide the body in the safe room and re-seal it. The "it's me" messages are from Springtrap/Jeremy/Purple Man in the Safe Room. So when Phone Dude discovers Springtrap, he is freed.</div>
I'll bite: If in this scenario, Jeremy is Purple Guy for some reason (despite the fact that this is almost definitely based off the SAVE THEM minigame which we know didn't happen during Jeremy's employment, because we saw everything that happened during the nights in that time), so assuming it is Jeremy: <p>a) Why would he beam onto the player "IT'S ME" when Mike Schmidt has no indication of knowing who Jeremy is, or what Springtrap is, who the Purple Guy is, or anything relating to "ME"? </p><p>b) Why would these "IT'S ME" messages even appear when Golden Freddy appears, when Jeremy/Purple Guy is in the Springtrap suit, far, far away from the office? </p><p>c) Why do you think that room was really sealed the first time around, you think? </p><p>d) If Jeremy is Purple Guy and he came back just to dismantled the old animatronics, then riddle me this: Why would he do it before the place is going to open, meaning they'll just get reassembled soon anyway. And if it's just for personal satisfaction, why wouldn't he have done it sooner? </p> </div>a) Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that in my theory, Mike is witness to the Bite of '87. It is his birthday, and Jeremy tries to murder him, but Mangle prevents it, and gets revenge by biting him. Sorry for not explaining that part, I forgot. <p>b) They don't just appear with Golden Freddy, they appear randomly. They are Springtrap reaching out to Mike, telling him "It's Me". </p><p>c) The room was sealed becuase of budget rstrictions. Have you even heard Phone Guy's Night 6/Nightmare Phone Call? </p><p>Uh, hello? Hello? Uh, this is just to inform all employees that due to budget restrictions, the previously mentioned safe rooms are being sealed at most locations, including this one. Work crews will be here most of the day today, constructing a false wall over the old door base. </p><p>d)He dismantled them to use the spare parts to rebuild Springtrap. </p><p>Any other questions? </p> </div> <p>
a) I'm not even touchng this one. </p><p>b) They do get visible worse when Golden Freddy appears, implying that atleast to some degree, these hallucinations are tied to the spirits haunting the animatronics, the children's spirits, not Springtrap. </p><p>c) I think it's pretty clear the Nightmare recording is a lie. There is no budget restriction in the world that would mean that no officials/insurance agents should know about a room. And even if there was some equipment that was costly to run, how would sealing the room fix that? Simply put, it wouldn't. That room had doors, as we know from Phone Guy's mention of the doorbase. Shut/jam the door, whatever sticks. Unplug the stuff inside, maybe sell them for scraps. But no going in or out? This is so obviously a cover up that Dora The Explorer herself would only permit 5 seconds for the audience to point it out. </p><p>d) Again: Why not while he still worked there? No one would have missed some parts from the animatronics no one used. Besides, if the place was still boarded up, hy were the animatronics re-assembled? Even if they had to sell the FNAF 2 location, and moved the animatronics to the FNAF 1 location until they would way later open it up, clearly the place is abandoned and is left to be abadoned when the FNAF 3 minigames show it. So why bother re-assembling the broken animatronics? Why make a new head for Bonnie, if you're still not opening the palce back up? And don't tell me that they were just about to, because no one will re-assemble their animatronics before removing the planks on their doors, fixing the roof or driving out the rodents. </p>
<div class="quote">BNTHAATPT (Abbreviation) wrote:
<div class="quote">Omartheramo wrote:
<div class="quote">Kilravok wrote:
If the room was reopened for FNAF1, then they would have found Springtrap already back then, but we know, the room was not opened and Springtrap was not found until FNAF3...unless you have evidence that FNAF3 happens between 2 and 1....</i></div>
It doesn't. But when Jeremy sneaks in and is killed (keep in mind this takes place a coule of days before they are set to open), instead of delaying the opening, they just hide the body in the safe room and re-seal it. The "it's me" messages are from Springtrap/Jeremy/Purple Man in the Safe Room. So when Phone Dude discovers Springtrap, he is freed.</div>
I'll bite: If in this scenario, Jeremy is Purple Guy for some reason (despite the fact that this is almost definitely based off the SAVE THEM minigame which we know didn't happen during Jeremy's employment, because we saw everything that happened during the nights in that time), so assuming it is Jeremy: <p>a) Why would he beam onto the player "IT'S ME" when Mike Schmidt has no indication of knowing who Jeremy is, or what Springtrap is, who the Purple Guy is, or anything relating to "ME"? </p><p>b) Why would these "IT'S ME" messages even appear when Golden Freddy appears, when Jeremy/Purple Guy is in the Springtrap suit, far, far away from the office? </p><p>c) Why do you think that room was really sealed the first time around, you think? </p><p>d) If Jeremy is Purple Guy and he came back just to dismantled the old animatronics, then riddle me this: Why would he do it before the place is going to open, meaning they'll just get reassembled soon anyway. And if it's just for personal satisfaction, why wouldn't he have done it sooner? </p> </div>a) Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that in my theory, Mike is witness to the Bite of '87. It is his birthday, and Jeremy tries to murder him, but Mangle prevents it, and gets revenge by biting him. Sorry for not explaining that part, I forgot. <p>b) They don't just appear with Golden Freddy, they appear randomly. They are Springtrap reaching out to Mike, telling him "It's Me". </p><p>c) The room was sealed becuase of budget rstrictions. Have you even heard Phone Guy's Night 6/Nightmare Phone Call? </p><p>Uh, hello? Hello? Uh, this is just to inform all employees that due to budget restrictions, the previously mentioned safe rooms are being sealed at most locations, including this one. Work crews will be here most of the day today, constructing a false wall over the old door base. </p><p>d)He dismantled them to use the spare parts to rebuild Springtrap. </p><p>Any other questions? </p> </div> <p>
a) I'm not even touchng this one. </p><p>b) They do get visible worse when Golden Freddy appears, implying that atleast to some degree, these hallucinations are tied to the spirits haunting the animatronics, the children's spirits, not Springtrap. </p><p>c) I think it's pretty clear the Nightmare recording is a lie. There is no budget restriction in the world that would mean that no officials/insurance agents should know about a room. And even if there was some equipment that was costly to run, how would sealing the room fix that? Simply put, it wouldn't. That room had doors, as we know from Phone Guy's mention of the doorbase. Shut/jam the door, whatever sticks. Unplug the stuff inside, maybe sell them for scraps. But no going in or out? This is so obviously a cover up that Dora The Explorer herself would only permit 5 seconds for the audience to point it out. </p><p>d) Again: Why not while he still worked there? No one would have missed some parts from the animatronics no one used. Besides, if the place was still boarded up, hy were the animatronics re-assembled? Even if they had to sell the FNAF 2 location, and moved the animatronics to the FNAF 1 location until they would way later open it up, clearly the place is abandoned and is left to be abadoned when the FNAF 3 minigames show it. So why bother re-assembling the broken animatronics? Why make a new head for Bonnie, if you're still not opening the palce back up? And don't tell me that they were just about to, because no one will re-assemble their animatronics before removing the planks on their doors, fixing the roof or driving out the rodents. </p>
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<p>I doubt that Scott would go full out Nightmare on Elm Street (although the title IS an homage of Fridays the 13th which is a sister franchi-... Sister Franchise... Sister Location, No back on track).
</p><p>That being said, I think this would be a really cool mechanic, and may end up in the game.
</p><p>If he DID go full Nightmare on Elm Street though, we can even go as far as guess what mechanics will be in the game.
</p><p>1, 2, Freddy's Coming For You: Naturally, the animatronics will hunt you.
</p><p>3, 4, Better Lock Your Door: Return of the Doors.
</p><p>5, 6, Grab Your Crucifix: You'll finally get to a point you'll have to ward off the actual spirits themselves.
</p><p>7, 8, Gonna Stay Up Late: As you said, you need to stay up, or the Nightmares will be coming.
</p><p>9, 10, Never Sleep Again: And of course if you fail, you're dead.
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<div class="quote"><i>LSelvine wrote:
1.) Golden Freddy's suit doesn't have teeth, so the endoskeleton must have had them. Smiles are kind of a thing in this series, if his endoskeleton has no teeth, or at least a mouth structure, that would make him the only thing this company has produced that isn't capable of smiling. Possible, of course, but not likely. <p>The Marionette is moved by strings, but those strings aren't attached to anything. There's a kid's drawing that has them attached to the crossbar-shaped.. puppet... manipulation... things, I have no idea what they're called, it has them, but in the drawing, nobody's actually holding them. I'd figure something HAS to be responsible for it being able to move, I don't think the company would see this creepy-ass doll handing out presents of its own volition and under its own power and think, "Hey, look! An employee we don't have to pay and doesn't need to sign an NDA!", but I have no idea what that something is. </p><p>2) It's boarded up and rat-infested, but there's party trappings all over the place. From the look of it, they shut the whole thing down immediately without cleaning any of it up first. I'm inclined to give it some leeway in terms of what was visibly broken into, though, since the front doors were also boarded up with unbroken boards and there aren't any other entrances. Either the actual depiction of the building in the sprite graphics is vague enough not to include which doorways are blocked, or Purple Guy was squatting in the building since it was closed down and never left for any reason. </p><p>If it didn't get sealed at that point, then it would have been sealed before the place opened up again for FNAF 1. And that could be how the tapes got in there; Phone Guy could have held onto them to protect the company and saw a chance to ditch them once he found Springtrap. Being the only person we meet (sort of) in the series who absolutely knew all the details, he's the only one who would have had any reason to want to hide them. </p> </i></div>
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1) Once again, look at Springtrap. he has no mouth on his endoskeleton. Proof to the right. </p> <figure class="article-thumb tright show-info-icon" style="width: 180px">
<figcaption> </figcaption></figure><figure class="article-thumb tright show-info-icon" style="width: 180px">
<figcaption> </figcaption></figure>And why would there be? While in animatronic mode, the suits are programmed to do absolutely nothing other than walk towards children's noises and look pretty. Any actual interaction with the customers is handled by the staff who get inside the suits.
<p>As shown to be another Spring-Lock suit, why would Golden Freddy be different?
</p><p>(Since the full animatronics were introduced after the Spring Lock suits caused some deaths. And we see Golden Freddy next to Spring Bonnie in one of the FNAF 3 minigames, meaning they both preformed at the same time, thus they are both from before the fully animatronic era.)
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</p><p>As for the Puppet, I would assume that much like the rest of the attractions, it behaves "normally" during the day. Meaning, it probably has some sort of mechanism that moves it during the day, with strings, while it just hangs there limply, allowing the machine to take control. But come night time, and he gets rid of his Strings like a demented Pinocchio. </p><p>
</p><p>2) Actually, just the decoration still being up is not really that big a point against the place being long forgotten and abandoned. Here is an article about a couple of places left behind by Disney (some of them are just closed rides, while others are entire parks left behind). Most of them are still fully furbished, because there was simply no point in paying someone to remove decorations that even if the place was re-opened or moved elsewhere, would be replaced anyway. So they're just kind of there: http://www.themeparktourist.com/features/20141021/29464/10-abandoned-disney-attractions-are-standing-not-operating. </p><p>At the same time though, why would Phone Guy want to hide those recordings? I mean, they are largely irrelevant at this point. The suits are unused, so instructions are unimportant, and IF the company wants to keep the stuff on them secret, he could have just burned them in a trashcan or just torn out the magnetic tape and be done with it, without having to worry about anything as complex as finding a hiding spot. </p><p>This is one of the reasons I think those things in the Safe Room are among other things the announcement controls. The tapes were either already there and no one bothered with them, or they would have been simply destroyed, for the sake of no one hearing about the safe room after it is sealed once and for all. </p>
1.) Golden Freddy's suit doesn't have teeth, so the endoskeleton must have had them. Smiles are kind of a thing in this series, if his endoskeleton has no teeth, or at least a mouth structure, that would make him the only thing this company has produced that isn't capable of smiling. Possible, of course, but not likely. <p>The Marionette is moved by strings, but those strings aren't attached to anything. There's a kid's drawing that has them attached to the crossbar-shaped.. puppet... manipulation... things, I have no idea what they're called, it has them, but in the drawing, nobody's actually holding them. I'd figure something HAS to be responsible for it being able to move, I don't think the company would see this creepy-ass doll handing out presents of its own volition and under its own power and think, "Hey, look! An employee we don't have to pay and doesn't need to sign an NDA!", but I have no idea what that something is. </p><p>2) It's boarded up and rat-infested, but there's party trappings all over the place. From the look of it, they shut the whole thing down immediately without cleaning any of it up first. I'm inclined to give it some leeway in terms of what was visibly broken into, though, since the front doors were also boarded up with unbroken boards and there aren't any other entrances. Either the actual depiction of the building in the sprite graphics is vague enough not to include which doorways are blocked, or Purple Guy was squatting in the building since it was closed down and never left for any reason. </p><p>If it didn't get sealed at that point, then it would have been sealed before the place opened up again for FNAF 1. And that could be how the tapes got in there; Phone Guy could have held onto them to protect the company and saw a chance to ditch them once he found Springtrap. Being the only person we meet (sort of) in the series who absolutely knew all the details, he's the only one who would have had any reason to want to hide them. </p> </i></div>
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1) Once again, look at Springtrap. he has no mouth on his endoskeleton. Proof to the right. </p> <figure class="article-thumb tright show-info-icon" style="width: 180px">
<figcaption> </figcaption></figure><figure class="article-thumb tright show-info-icon" style="width: 180px">
<figcaption> </figcaption></figure>And why would there be? While in animatronic mode, the suits are programmed to do absolutely nothing other than walk towards children's noises and look pretty. Any actual interaction with the customers is handled by the staff who get inside the suits.
<p>As shown to be another Spring-Lock suit, why would Golden Freddy be different?
</p><p>(Since the full animatronics were introduced after the Spring Lock suits caused some deaths. And we see Golden Freddy next to Spring Bonnie in one of the FNAF 3 minigames, meaning they both preformed at the same time, thus they are both from before the fully animatronic era.)
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</p><p>As for the Puppet, I would assume that much like the rest of the attractions, it behaves "normally" during the day. Meaning, it probably has some sort of mechanism that moves it during the day, with strings, while it just hangs there limply, allowing the machine to take control. But come night time, and he gets rid of his Strings like a demented Pinocchio. </p><p>
</p><p>2) Actually, just the decoration still being up is not really that big a point against the place being long forgotten and abandoned. Here is an article about a couple of places left behind by Disney (some of them are just closed rides, while others are entire parks left behind). Most of them are still fully furbished, because there was simply no point in paying someone to remove decorations that even if the place was re-opened or moved elsewhere, would be replaced anyway. So they're just kind of there: http://www.themeparktourist.com/features/20141021/29464/10-abandoned-disney-attractions-are-standing-not-operating. </p><p>At the same time though, why would Phone Guy want to hide those recordings? I mean, they are largely irrelevant at this point. The suits are unused, so instructions are unimportant, and IF the company wants to keep the stuff on them secret, he could have just burned them in a trashcan or just torn out the magnetic tape and be done with it, without having to worry about anything as complex as finding a hiding spot. </p><p>This is one of the reasons I think those things in the Safe Room are among other things the announcement controls. The tapes were either already there and no one bothered with them, or they would have been simply destroyed, for the sake of no one hearing about the safe room after it is sealed once and for all. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Moonlit Huntress wrote:
<div class="quote"><span style="font-style:italic;">As for where the body is, we're not sure if the bodies even need to get stuffed in an animatronic to have control over stuff.</span></i></div>
Yes, but in the missing children's report, the adults said the animatronics looked like reanimated carcesses. Also, there were handprints on Freddy's Face. <p>For the puppet, it could be the box. However, I would think that one of the children would have seen it, and notified a parent. Also, whenever the puppet emerges, it is never covered in blood or anything that would seem like a corpse was in there. </p> </div> <p>
While you're right that the children WERE stuffed into the suits, there is little evidence to suggest that they HAVE TO BE stuffed inside in order to have control, was my point. </p><p>Again, all sorts of spooky stuff happens that goes way beyond something as simple as making an animatronic take a step in the right direction. I wouldn't be surprised if a G.I. Joe or Darth Vader action figure one of the Night Guards brought in for the night would join "the hunt". </p>
<div class="quote"><span style="font-style:italic;">As for where the body is, we're not sure if the bodies even need to get stuffed in an animatronic to have control over stuff.</span></i></div>
Yes, but in the missing children's report, the adults said the animatronics looked like reanimated carcesses. Also, there were handprints on Freddy's Face. <p>For the puppet, it could be the box. However, I would think that one of the children would have seen it, and notified a parent. Also, whenever the puppet emerges, it is never covered in blood or anything that would seem like a corpse was in there. </p> </div> <p>
While you're right that the children WERE stuffed into the suits, there is little evidence to suggest that they HAVE TO BE stuffed inside in order to have control, was my point. </p><p>Again, all sorts of spooky stuff happens that goes way beyond something as simple as making an animatronic take a step in the right direction. I wouldn't be surprised if a G.I. Joe or Darth Vader action figure one of the Night Guards brought in for the night would join "the hunt". </p>
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<p>Well, the fact that Foxy has an entire stage just for himself, and that of all the animatronics, he is roughed up by kids in FNAF 1's time period, tells me that he's the fan favourite.
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<p>But if there are 3, then which one is the Give Life Freddy? Quite visibly he's different from all other three, isn't he?
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Well the reason for the animatronic sprites changing is because they get rusty at times when they are 'abandonned' like in FNAF 2 pizzeria but sometimes they get cleaned like in the FNAF 1 pizzeria or they change designs and such.</i></div>
Yes they get rusty and need to be cleaned and once they were withered (FNaF 2) but were fixed, but their design remained the same, they looked just like they did before. </div>
Well actually some things/details are different like freddy's head is a bit more 'blocky' in the second game. </div>Here are the sprites for Freddy from the pizzeria from FNaF 2 and the one from FNaF 1. <figure class="article-thumb tright show-info-icon" style="width: 180px">
<figcaption> </figcaption></figure><p>The Wiki doesn't have the other sprite so I uploaded it to imgur http://imgur.com/qMoGzTa
</p><p>As you can see they have more diferences than just the head but they are still the same.
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<p>Actually, the wiki does have it, just not on Freddy's page. it's on the FNAF 3 minigames page.
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</p><p>The two sprite images of Freddy you missed, plus the site version of the one you put in imgur: </p> <figure class="article-thumb tright show-info-icon" style="width: 180px">
<figcaption> <p class="caption">FNAF 3 minigame</p> </figcaption></figure><figure class="article-thumb tright show-info-icon" style="width: 148px">
<figcaption> </figcaption></figure><figure class="article-thumb tright show-info-icon" style="width: 124px">
<figcaption> <p class="caption">Cake Game Freddy</p> </figcaption></figure><p>As you can see, not even as much as the hat is consistent between all four.
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<div class="quote">Destroyer331 wrote:
<div class="quote">Chrisdominoes wrote:
<div class="quote">Destroyer331 wrote:
Well the reason for the animatronic sprites changing is because they get rusty at times when they are 'abandonned' like in FNAF 2 pizzeria but sometimes they get cleaned like in the FNAF 1 pizzeria or they change designs and such.</i></div>
Yes they get rusty and need to be cleaned and once they were withered (FNaF 2) but were fixed, but their design remained the same, they looked just like they did before. </div>
Well actually some things/details are different like freddy's head is a bit more 'blocky' in the second game. </div>Here are the sprites for Freddy from the pizzeria from FNaF 2 and the one from FNaF 1. <figure class="article-thumb tright show-info-icon" style="width: 180px">
<figcaption> </figcaption></figure><p>The Wiki doesn't have the other sprite so I uploaded it to imgur http://imgur.com/qMoGzTa
</p><p>As you can see they have more diferences than just the head but they are still the same.
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<p>Actually, the wiki does have it, just not on Freddy's page. it's on the FNAF 3 minigames page.
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</p><p>The two sprite images of Freddy you missed, plus the site version of the one you put in imgur: </p> <figure class="article-thumb tright show-info-icon" style="width: 180px">
<figcaption> <p class="caption">FNAF 3 minigame</p> </figcaption></figure><figure class="article-thumb tright show-info-icon" style="width: 148px">
<figcaption> </figcaption></figure><figure class="article-thumb tright show-info-icon" style="width: 124px">
<figcaption> <p class="caption">Cake Game Freddy</p> </figcaption></figure><p>As you can see, not even as much as the hat is consistent between all four.
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